Thursday, August 1, 2024

"What if...? Donald Duck Became Wolverine"

Another entry so quickly?  Well, this is an emergency, obviously.  Indeed...what if?  I'm aware that that's a long-time Marvel conceit, but that's about it.  I suppose I should stay current with these things.  My public demands it!  I feel like the publication of this book must've been timed to coincide with the release of Deadpool & Wolverine, even though they have very little in common.  I suppose that Wolverine is kind of down-and-out in both of them?  Whatever.  For the record, though, I really enjoyed the crass, violent movie.  It was hella fun and had a lot of heart.  So say I.  So!  How about this here comic?  It certainly feels more like what you'd've expected from "Marvel meets Disney" than that Multiverse book did.  For better or worse or neutraler.


So first we meet--well, see an image of--this guy, Pete-Skull.  Let's be honest: I don't think I've ever read a Marvel comic.  I've read Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns, and All-Star Superman, and I think that's yer lot, as far as superhero stuff goes [UPDATE: I just remembered also I read the first few TPBs of Squirrel Girl; those were fun].  But I HAVE seen most of the Marvel movies, both MCU and X-Men (which universes appear to be merging, if Deadpool & Wolverine is any indication).  So I recognize this guy as the comic's version of Red Skull, though there doesn't appear to be really any connection between the two beyond the name.  I mean come on, the original character was a dang nazi--that's probably not something you want to touch in a Disney comic.

This is also a little weird: as we all know, the main crime in Duckburg is theft.  Sure, some kidnapping and counterfeiting, but mainly theft!  And even though Pete can be a little more brutal than that, here it indeed just seems to be...theft.  You'd think the "superhero crossover" thing might've encouraged them to go a little further than that, but...no.  I dunno; these Beagles look kind of cool at any rate, though I don't know what overall effect they're going for.

                             

Yup, I have zero idea why the sign--apparently?--said "Grandma Duck's Old Farm" until it was changed to "Grandma Duck's Falling Farm."  Is this some sort of Marvel thing, or just something that was lost in translation?  Either way, it does not bode well.

"Donald-Wolverine."  Oof.  I guess it's possible that Marvel didn't want the characters to be given names that wouldn't immediately make their Marvel IP identities completely obvious, but that shit just takes you back to the days of Ultraheroes.  Shudder.  Right, so let's just ask the question that's on everyone's mind: was this translated from Italian, or was it originally in English?  The writer's name is Luca Barbieri--this guy here.  And...he's an Italian guy whose credits are all Italian comics, so I want to say someone must have translated it.  I am given pause by the fact that no localizer is listed anywhere in the comic, but let's be upfront: the writing is bad and wooden in a way that STRONGLY recalls what Boom! decided was a good idea after firing everyone who knew anything about Disney comics.  Not good either way, but I have to ask: is this AI-translated?  'Cause that sure seems extremely plausible.  

He refers to Grandma as both "Gran" and "Granny."  If this wasn't translated by machine, it sure wasn't by a fan, either, I'll tell you that much.

"Mickey-Hawkeye."  Sigh.  Well, at least he looks kinda cool.  The story is trying to mimic the sort of inter-character melodrama you see in superhero stories, but I've gotta say, it's not doing a great job of it.

Oh, you need him because he has a bad temper.  So to take a wild guess, do ya think maybe he's going to lose his temper and as a result he--what would you call it?--"Hulks out" on the enemy?  Huh.  I get that Wolverine sometimes has a berserker thing with some similarities, but if that's all you want out of the character, why bother?  "Hulks out." I mean, granted, getting mad is Donald's thing, but...if that's going to be all you go with, why is it Donald-Wolverine and not Donald-Hulk?  That's clearly what you WANT it to be.  This is dumb.

Okay, granted, this image is cool, the best thing in the story by some margin.  So, gaze upon it.  And then, back to work.

See?  "Granny."  Also, "put on your wool suits?"  I can't even.

So nothing to do with the story, necessarily, but: does Mickey have an iconic car after the fashion of Donald?  Googling around reveals that this 113 is--I guess--a thing, but man, I have never seen it in my LIFE.  The coloring seems to be identical to Donald's 313, and I have a little model thereof (a gift from Elaine, I believe--thanks!) with the 313 number, so if this IS an established thing in some quarters, you'd think they would've made more effort to make it distinct from the better-known one.  And that's all I'll say about that.

SERIOUSLY, "Donald-Patch and Mister Goofy-Fixit."  I am starting to think that today's editors of Disney comics aren't any better than the old Western ones.  It's just baffling to me that anyone would read over this and think, yup, good enough, send it to the printers.  And yet, here we are.

The other thing of note here is that "gray" business.  As you will see in just a moment, the story does this incredibly nonsensical thing where Donald is triggered by the sight of the color green, so now Goofy is gray, and I truly cannot EVEN.  Also, I'm pretty sure even people who don't know about comics know that Hulk is supposed to be a normal guy until he gets mad.  We do see him hulk out later, but he kind of appears to already be as such, which is weird.

Anyway, THIS is why Donald doesn't like green.  This panel, and NOTHING else.  This is some REALLY half-assed, slapdash stuff, people.

This bit kind of cracks me up, because "you'll end up behind bars!"  Seriously?  We can't even have our villain show murderous intent?  

Right, so I kind of just want to get this over with.  I recognize that it has to be covered, but it's not very interesting.  So enjoy Goofy hulking out.

And, you know, there's this, if it's your thing.

People on Facebook have been posting this.  I suppose it's an okay splash image, but eh.

And the fight that this leads to is extremely abbreviated; this is all you get.  So that's it?  Pete-Skull really just had a half dozen Beagle helpers and that was yer lot?  In that case, it's hard to see how we ever reached this post-apocalyptic-looking state, really.

Note Captain America's shield.  Who would be Disney Captain America, do you think?  Fethry?  His latest kooky kraze is patriotism?  Sounds good to me.

And...that's all.  Look, I'm not trying to be overly negative about this.  I was skeptical about that multiverse story, but it turned out okay, if not super-memorable.  But this...man, I feel bad about saying mean things about this random dude's work.  I have no problem being harsh on a Rosa story; that's punching up.  And I have no problem being harsh to random Western creators; they're all dead.  Let's just say I can't give this one a passing grade, and I am now even more baffled about what the hell Marvel thinks they're doing in the long run.  This whole conception feels really, really misbegotten.

No covers this time; there are only four of them, and they're all more or less the same in a kind of boring way.




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21 Comments:

Blogger GeoX, one of the GeoX boys. said...

I just want to add, the more I think about it, the more I think my off-the-cuff idea of Fethry as Captain America is actually extremely good, and you could get a REALLY funny (albeit offensive to nationalist-types) story out of it.

August 1, 2024 at 8:24 PM  
Blogger Debbie Anne said...

I agree...the writing in this really felt like the last year or so of IDW after the Gerstein Gang got shown the door. I wanted to approach this the way I would have one of the literary stories or the Fantastic Futures book, but...there's really nothing there for non-Marvel readers. The art is good, though.

August 1, 2024 at 9:15 PM  
Blogger Pan Miluś said...

Wow, this looks... Poor.

And yes, I would expect more clever word-play with the names at very least. Duckverine, Mouse-eye, Goolk... Ok, these aren't the best but you get my idea. Just look at Darwking Duck (One-shot - parody of the character Deathshot etc.)

I did read some Marvel comics - mostly Spider-man, She-Hulk, Dr. Strange and DareDevil (oh, and the orginal run of Fantastic Four when it was just goofy fun), but I'm more of a DC guy. However I'm tad disapointed that they got italians to make these rather then have actual Marvel-talent to firgure out stories and drawn them... at the same time It woudn't shock me if regular Marvel creators have limited idea of Disneyverse.


Actualy there are other color variants of the Hulk (Gray Hulk, Red Hulk etc.) Also for a while they had a thing in the comic where Bruce learn to control his Hulk side and Hulk was inteligent (I belive he was then refrence as "Profesor Hulk") The variant in question was used in the movie "Endgame".


RedScull feels like such a odd choice especialy since he is Captain America villain (To be fair Marvel heroes runs into each other bad guys all the time - it's not like Fantastic Four will refuse to fight the Green Goblin going "Dude, his Spider-man's problem") but I would expect some more associated with Wolverine like Neighbor Jones as Sabertooth or Gladstone as...

Hum! Actualy there is a X-men character named Domino who's powers are pretty much Gladstone (she do psychic thingy that control odds around her in her favor... pretty her power is extreme luck)

See? "Gladstone Gander vs. Domino" sounds like a story that people who are both Marvel an Disney fans would enjoy since just by the title you can tell some one read both and you could explore the concept of unstoppable force vs immovable object.

I do wonder is Hawkeye asking Wolverine who moved to a farm and don't want to do his thing anymore is refrence to a specific iconic story.

Feathry as Captain America do sounds cool epsecialy since that character is ment to be all about dignity and the respect he creates in others eyes while Feathry is... heh. So it would be fun play on the contrasts.

Finaly: The new Deadpool movie was funny and I enjoy all the needle drops but at the same time I think they could gone much more crazy with the plot and I don't think they went far enough with self-critique of MCU. It felt oddly safe.

Also after Deadpool making fun of entire Multiverse concept you would think they give it a rest (I was sick of it even before "Antman - Quantummania"), so I soooo hope "Dr. Doom being alternete universe Tony Stark" isn't where their are going. At the same time I'm sort of curious what the heck they are planing to do that won't feel cheap or emotionaly unsatysfying.

[I can already see Captain America 4 post-credit scene]
- Yo Sam, did I ever mention that Tony Stark had a long-lost twin named Victor VonDoom?
- Huh! No. Good to know.

August 2, 2024 at 3:21 AM  
Blogger Pan Miluś said...

For the record - when I said it looks "poor" I ment the script. The entire mashup feels cheap and unimaginative.

Art looks nice.

August 2, 2024 at 3:31 AM  
Blogger Achille Talon said...

“the writing is bad and wooden in a way that STRONGLY recalls what Boom! decided was a good idea after firing everyone who knew anything about Disney comics”

Don't you mean IDW? The final years of Boom! had their faults, but that feels like the more salient point of reference…

I'm not that surprised about theft as the main crime. From my limited experience it also seems to be the main thing supervillains do in superhero stuff — mugging and bank-robbing, no different from your usual Beagle fare.

August 2, 2024 at 10:48 AM  
Blogger Achille Talon said...

I have to believe that the incredibly lame names are bluntly literal translations of what were, in Italian, basically functional puns. "Pete-Skull" is really baffling, though, however you slice it. The original guy looks like a skull and is red, and is thus Red Skull. This one looks like Pete but *not* like a skull, but he's still red… so shouldn't he be called Red Pete at the absolute least? C'mon!

August 2, 2024 at 10:57 AM  
Blogger GeoX, one of the GeoX boys. said...

Don't you mean IDW? The final years of Boom! had their faults, but that feels like the more salient point of reference…

Clearly. I often get them mixed up in my head somehow, I guess because they had opposite trajectories. Another good comparison for this would be Boom's Ultraheroes, and boy, it is NOT a compliment to Marvel that I'm comparing their much hooplah-ed crossover to that bit of long-forgotten hackery.

August 2, 2024 at 1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it a bit weird how oddly ubiquitous Red Skull is in "kids" media. He's even the Phineas and Ferb crossover! I get it in the sense that he's a very pulpy character with a very this-is-a-bad-guy design. But it feels a bit gross maybe to keep brushing the nazi thing aside. I don't know.

August 3, 2024 at 2:09 PM  
Blogger GeoX, one of the GeoX boys. said...

No, you're right; it's weird as heck. I guess he's seen as a kind of generic villain that can easily just be used as a placeholder, but yeah, using a nazi for that role is not UNweird.

August 3, 2024 at 2:14 PM  
Blogger Achille Talon said...

Pete in Ultraheroes was done up as Doctor Octopus, which I think fits him better.

August 4, 2024 at 11:38 AM  
Blogger Pan Miluś said...

As far Marvel badies goes Kingpin/Wilson Fisk would propably be the best fit for Pete.

Maybe Juggernaut if you want to be X-men specific.

August 5, 2024 at 5:06 AM  
Blogger GeoX, one of the GeoX boys. said...

It's an interesting thing to think about, and I actually do believe that, gimmicky as the concept is, it WOULD be possible to make an interesting Marvel/Disney crossover. There's just no reason to have any faith that THESE people are capable of doing so.

August 5, 2024 at 8:53 AM  
Blogger Pan Miluś said...

Scrooge and Tony Stark's dad use to be partners in Klondike and Scrooge meets Tony at a party and put him to shame what selfish playboy he became and Tony has to redeme himself in Scrooge eyes?

August 5, 2024 at 11:08 AM  
Blogger Achille Talon said...

Kingpin Pete has legs (heck, "Kingpin Pete" would go right alongside "Bootleg Pete", "Putrid Pete" and his other old-school nicknames). I guess Pete-as-mad-scientist would be strange in some ways, but Doctor Octopus, at least in Alfred Molina flavor, does have the accent, and that "ah fer crying out loud, get off my CASE, can't a guy just do some CRIME for FIVE MINUTES without an ANNOYING LITTLE GUY popping up". A line of thinking which yields Spider-Mickey, …which I'm fully expecting if this line continues, really.

(Hmm. Plottigat as Doc Ock, anyone? If there's one silver lining to outsourcing these things to the Italians, surely it should avail us some deep cuts…)

@Pan, I suppose avoiding character mash-ups and simply having "Scrooge Meets (A Disneyfied Version Of?) Tony Stark" and so on would be a fun way to do things too.

August 5, 2024 at 11:21 AM  
Blogger Pan Miluś said...

Plottigat in orginal stories has a creepy vibe that would fit Doctor Doom.

Emil Eagle would also fit with Dock Ock.

It's funny - years before Disney both Marvel I recall cover of Mickey as Spider-man that looked pretty well. There was also a SPIDUCK-MAN cover with Donald as Spidey.

And FINALY - the most obvious idea that would gave us some awsome visuals - The Phantom Blot combine with Venom symboite!


Maybe Scrooge is the new and biggest shareholder at S.H.I.E.L.D. and so he comes to "Avangers" meeting and is like:

- Ok, if you want to keep up this organisation we need some budget cuts. Mr. Banner do you realise how much money you waste on buying new shirt and pants each time you Hulk-out? From now on you will be shirtless and pantless 24/7 to save on clothing costs.
- Um...
- By the way how do you make profit exactly?
- Emmm... We don't. We are saving the world for sake of humanity...
- What!? OK! There will be some SERIOUS changes from now on...
- Ok "Howard"! I don't know who the heck you think you are but The Avangers wont stand for this...
- Shut up Stark! McDucks money covers 95% of this operation.
- Ah, that changes things... Whatever you like Mr. McDuck!

August 6, 2024 at 1:45 AM  
Blogger GeoX, one of the GeoX boys. said...

And FINALY - the most obvious idea that would gave us some awsome visuals - The Phantom Blot combine with Venom symboite!

Gotta give you credit: that's the coolest fucking crossover idea I can imagine. I mean, in theory. I still have faith in their ability to mess it up, of course.

August 6, 2024 at 10:36 AM  
Blogger J. Bencomo said...

Why didn't they just call Goofy as Hulk the Hyulk. It took me five seconds and I'm an idiot.

If you're doing Donald as Wolverine the first thing that comes to my mind is setting the whole thing with the X-Men, with Gladstone being the handsome Cyclops and Daisy being the Jean Grey they both fight over, with Uncle Scrooge being Professor X, the rich guy with a mansion who calls the shots and is a jerk at times. That is sort of a no-brainer, isn't it? Gyro is the Beast, the team's genius, and Fethry is Iceman or Deadpool, the wacky comic relief. I dunno, what do you think?

August 18, 2024 at 6:09 PM  
Blogger Specialist Spectrus said...

Hyulk!

Luca Barbieri already wrote the most recent (and possibly last?) Wizards of Mickey saga for Disney Publishing Worldwide, and that was pretty good - perhaps the best one since the first saga. So I have a feeling this story might not have been his idea. Although that two-part Klondike thing he did for Topolino was also not particularly well received, so who knows.

August 19, 2024 at 4:12 AM  
Blogger Pan Miluś said...

Perhaps they neede the story fast so they just went with first ideas that bump into their minds

August 19, 2024 at 2:43 PM  
Blogger GeoX, one of the GeoX boys. said...

I think they should've had you write the story, though that seems like it might be complex enough to merit a multi-book arc.

August 27, 2024 at 7:55 PM  
Blogger J. Bencomo said...

Professor $, fearless leader of the X-Ducks, sends Wolverduck aka Donald Logan, Lucklops aka Gladstone Summers, Marvel Duck aka Jean Daisy, Doofpool aka Wade Fethry, and Guslossus to stop the rampaging Hyulk and win good publicity from a world that hates and fears them. Since "We're slacking on our merch sales, and Spider-Mouse is beating us on our own brand game, you idiots!"

Wolderduck is approached on their way to the flying Duckbird by Dickie Pryde, who wants to go with him, but she's told to stay home since she's still too young, with Marvel Duck bristling in jealousy. On their way the X-Ducks go over the case of Professor Goof Banner aka Hyulk, an ever easygoing genius who turns into a rampaging creature when someone drops a weight on his foot. Their ship is blown off the air and they all stumble out in shambles, except Lucklops, who luckily didn't get a scratch. They are challenged by their attacker, A-Pete-Lypse, who wants to fight their leader first. Wolverduck and Lucklops get into a petty fight over who gets to be the leader, and finally a fed up Jean Daisy just beats A-Pete-Lypse herself with some help from Guslossus and Doofpool's Nerf guns.

The X-Ducks rush to their destination only for Chief O'Hara to tell them the Hyulk already was subdued by another superhero team. He points at where Darkwing Duck and the Justice Ducks pose on a beaten down Hyulk.

Professor $ angrily runs after Wolderduck and Lucklops since they just cost the team priceless PR. Cue iris out into the sunset.

There, that's a better story than the actual What If Donald Duck became Wolverine, and it only took five minutes for an idiot like me to think it.

September 9, 2024 at 11:21 PM  

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