tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post7658132005300709923..comments2024-03-28T03:15:52.497-04:00Comments on Duck Comics Revue: The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck, Chapter Eight B: "The Prisoner of White Agony Creek"GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.http://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-7749135568196940342021-04-16T15:58:26.371-04:002021-04-16T15:58:26.371-04:00Scrooge kidneppt goldie!Scrooge kidneppt goldie!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-26236169710277441182020-05-11T17:19:23.762-04:002020-05-11T17:19:23.762-04:00GeoX, the blog has a option of follow up comments ...GeoX, the blog has a option of follow up comments being notified in your e-mail (if you click it) so it’s not wierd that she comes back when there is more comments (she didn’t need to set something up). Kind of odd you didn’t know of this since this is your blog and pretty common feature.<br /><br />Anyway I feel it’s a bit mean spirited imo anyway that you to keep responding to her and the way you described opinions about sec before marriage. What I red she just said she can have one opinion of this and Rosa and others the other one. Anyway I am tired so might not have red all here carefully and don’t want to argue.Chinoiseriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05047237421382658863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-47779838124579128682020-01-05T18:24:38.834-05:002020-01-05T18:24:38.834-05:00The snow melting scene wasn't censored! The sc...The snow melting scene wasn't censored! The scene can be found in the comic. Typnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-84498264202125251382016-03-26T11:39:19.643-04:002016-03-26T11:39:19.643-04:00This may be the most pretentious comment I've ...This may be the most pretentious comment I've made, but hell, the fifth volume of Proust's <i>À la recherche du temps perdu</i> is entitled <i>La Prisonnière,</i> a title which clearly refers to both the narrator's object-of-obsession Albertine and to the narrator himself. So there's literary precedent!GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-70050683779571860412016-03-26T06:04:14.176-04:002016-03-26T06:04:14.176-04:00@Achille
I know I'm over 40 days too late to a...@Achille<br />I know I'm over 40 days too late to answer this, but on the Papersera Forum Don Rosa was asked (in 2014) "In your title The Prisoner Of White Agony Creek, I suppose that the "prisoner" is Goldie, right?" Don's answer was:<br /><br />"Sure. Uh... but who else could it be?<br />But yet another point that readers never know is that all of my titles of all of my stories involving $crooge's youth... in other words, all of the "Life of $crooge" stories including the B & C chapters... all these story titles were references to $crooge himself, and always took the precise form of "The (Somebody) of the (Something)". I don't think any international translations ever stuck to that form. (And I recall hearing of some titles given to these stories that were really stupid! But... I'm helpless as regards what translators do, y'know!)<br /><br />But then there were the three most important chapters, 8A, 8B & 8C.<br />The title of 8A referred to $crooge: "The King of the Klondike".<br />...8B referred to Goldie: "The Prisoner of White Agony Creek".<br />...and 8C referred to them BOTH: "The Hearts of the Yukon".<br /><br />(Romantic, eh?)"<br /><br />I like the idea of "prisoner" referring to Goldie alone, though maybe this is because I first read this story in Italian, where the title was "La prigioniera del fosso dell'agonia bianca", which can only refer to a female (the male version would be "Il prigioniero"). You are right, however, that theoretically it could be interpreted in more than one way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-7165853352402268892016-03-15T00:32:52.787-04:002016-03-15T00:32:52.787-04:00...also, can I say that it's super-weird that ......also, can I say that it's <i>super-weird</i> that she apparently has some kind of alert set up to let her know when anyone speaks heresy about her swell theory, so she can helpfully chime in? 'Cause it is.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-32300183116563545732016-03-15T00:31:17.268-04:002016-03-15T00:31:17.268-04:00...somehow, I feel like Ms. Cook doesn't quite......somehow, I feel like Ms. Cook doesn't <i>quite</i> understand how death-of-the-author works.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-49712422455075695512016-03-14T23:44:01.631-04:002016-03-14T23:44:01.631-04:00I never said that Rosa himself didn't personal...I never said that Rosa himself didn't personally see it as a sex scene, but when I spoke with him all he said, was it was up to me to decide. And as dark tyler stated, once a story leaves the creators' table it becomes ours. So my opinion has not changed, and there are others who agree with me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13787046503098249123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-80781159228951775532016-03-14T23:13:49.541-04:002016-03-14T23:13:49.541-04:00Hey, thanks for the kind words, and for the releva...Hey, thanks for the kind words, and for the relevant quote. Don't be surprised if Ms. Cook shows up again to tell you how you're wrong. I have at times thought it would be good fun to do a sequence of "The Old Castle's Secret"/"The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone/""The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan"/"Return to Xanadu"/"Crown of the Crusader Kings"/"Letter from Home." The future is unwritten!GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-39174167385900190932016-03-14T19:27:18.029-04:002016-03-14T19:27:18.029-04:00Hey, awesome blog, very happy to have found it. I ...Hey, awesome blog, very happy to have found it. I just finished a complete Don Rosa marathon, where I re-read every single one of his stories in the order he wrote them. Whew that was incredible. Guy's a legend.<br /><br />In regards to this final story, I mean yeah, it very obviously couldn't have been any other as a final story, right? I think it really borders on being way problematic but at the same time it somehow magically manages to avoid crossing the line completely. It's a very weird, very passionate, very borderline, very Rosa story. I love it more as a finishing touch on a life's work, than as a separate story, if that makes any sense.<br /><br />ANYway, the reason I started typing is the above disagreement. I honestly couldn't believe that there was an actual disagreement over whether they had sex in this story, but okay, to each his own. But since Rosa himself was presented as evidence (or rebuttal of evidence) I thought I might add a part of an interview I did with him a couple of years ago.<br /><br />The relevant quote is this:<br /><br />[on the subject of whether the censors wouldn't let him do even more mature or serious stories]<br /><br />"I got as mature as I wanted to. My last story, and that's one of the reasons I quit at that time, I said that was as close to mature as I wanted to. Because I recognize that they're not my characters. I push the envelope to a certain point but I did not want to see Barks' characters doing... everything."<br /><br />"So I got to a point where I let the readers decide things on a particular thing. They have imagination! But at the same time, if they're not imagining it the way I'm imagining it, they're wrong! [laughs] I know what happened in that cabin, but they can decide themselves. Somebody asked me yesterday, Hey, that scene in the cabin, can I ask you, did they kiss? Heh! Yyyyyyes, YES, they kissed alright, they did way more than that! But if you just wanna think they kissed, then that's fine!"<br /><br />All of this is, unfortunately, only printed in Greek http://www.oneman.gr/keimena/diaskedash/sto_rafi/don-rosa-h-synenteyksh-twn-anagnwstwn.2746818.html<br />but hey, that's what you get, America, for letting one of your great legends be more appreciated in weird European countries than at home.<br /><br /><br />By the way, it doesn't matter; from the moment a story leaves its creator's table, it stops belonging to him or her. It belongs to all of us. So Don's opinion on this, matters the same as ours does. But since it's been brought up, well, there you have it, he says they had sex, in his opinion.<br /><br />PS. Of course they did.<br /><br />PS2. Keep up the good work. Would love to see you tackle the whole 'Letter from Home' sub-saga. That story is probably my favorite of Rosa's and clearly a sort of 'series finale' from a created who could obviously sense that he didn't have that many stories left in him and had to do that one while he could. I weep so fucking much every time I read it.dark tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461345493748899275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-66294460969329491852016-02-27T13:42:16.558-05:002016-02-27T13:42:16.558-05:00Sarah Cook sure knows how to Cook up controversy. ...Sarah Cook sure knows how to Cook up controversy. ;D Anyway, your blog has compelled me to get back to reading Scrooge comics, especially the ones that have eluded me. Thank you. Magic Emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087595784995123806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-27189941000129279252016-02-18T21:52:48.428-05:002016-02-18T21:52:48.428-05:00@ jill-rg it's alright. I just thought I shoul...@ jill-rg it's alright. I just thought I should mention that, since it says in the title that it's an opinion and the author never states that she has proof of anything. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13787046503098249123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-17551709020875352092016-02-18T18:49:01.975-05:002016-02-18T18:49:01.975-05:00No need to apologize; it was a perfectly solid com...No need to apologize; it was a perfectly solid comment. I wouldn't exactly describe it as "hate sex," though, nor "destructive," except probably in the sense of "breaking stuff," in which case, fair enough.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-61046943540788517142016-02-18T14:04:09.236-05:002016-02-18T14:04:09.236-05:00^^ Sorry, all my fault, but like I said, I couldn&...^^ Sorry, all my fault, but like I said, I couldn't resist. I promise I will not revive that subject again but stick to wondering things like, What is the connection between wild, violent, destructive hatesex and pro-capitalist values? (First Carl Barks, then Ayn Rand...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-27610877448173980462016-02-17T20:20:33.251-05:002016-02-17T20:20:33.251-05:00GOOD GOD SHE'S BACK.GOOD GOD SHE'S BACK.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-89498947825840792982016-02-17T20:09:18.259-05:002016-02-17T20:09:18.259-05:00Clearly you've misunderstood the article. When...Clearly you've misunderstood the article. When I read it I didn't get the impression that the author was trying to prove it didn't happen, but show people it didn't necessarily happen. And that there was logic to believing that they didn't do it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13787046503098249123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-65863917897739678472016-02-17T18:43:54.294-05:002016-02-17T18:43:54.294-05:00Awesome comment, and not just 'cause it compli...Awesome comment, and not just 'cause it compliments me. :) I'd love to hear more from you.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-35583472760127640092016-02-17T17:35:38.243-05:002016-02-17T17:35:38.243-05:00I just discovered your blog last week, and I'v...I just discovered your blog last week, and I've read dozens of entries. I was hesitant to comment because you posted them so long ago, but the above non-issue someone started... I just couldn't resist. I'm a legal assistant, and the basic argument in the linked article and above comments is IDENTICAL to the argument an opponent made in a legal brief 2 weeks ago: "I claim X happened. You cannot prove Y (the alternative to X) happened. Therefore, we must accept that X unquestionably happened."<br /><br />That is, "I claim they definitely did not have sex. You cannot prove they definitely did have sex. Therefore, there is no question they definitely did not have sex."<br /><br />Debate 101: Logic does not work that way. The lack of proof for X does not lead to the assumption that alternative Y is unquestionably true. It's doubly fallacious in this case because the cited "proof" explicitly states "Neither X nor Y is unquestionably true."<br /><br />The official word from the author (which many circles would claim is no proof at all, but we'll assume otherwise for the sake of argument) is that whether or not they had sex is up to each individual reader. The above reader uses this to justify claiming readers who decide they did have sex are wrong... even though that's precisely what the author allowed them to do! (Again, many would laugh their heads off at the idea that only an official word from an author gives readers permission to interpret anything.) In other words, "The author refuses to say they definitely did have sex. Therefore, they definitely did not have sex." Logic does not support this connection.<br /><br />The only other "proof" in the article consists of: 1) claiming something as immoral as pre-marital sex doesn't belong in a Disney comic (which is no proof at all either way); and 2) claiming moments that lead readers to the conclusion the author dislikes are suggestive, not definitive. In a court of law, you want definitive evidence; in literary interpretation, you want suggestive because it's no fun if the reader has everything spelled out for them and can't draw conclusions of their own. In literary interpretation, you can't claim someone who sees something you don't see is unquestionably wrong the same way you could of someone who says "2+2=5" (George Orwell's theory on that subject notwithstanding). When you do, you lose all credibility, as the author of the linked article did in my eyes.<br /><br />Your articles, on the other hand, don't attack other views -- they share yours and include examples to back up your argument/opinion, as all good reviews/criticism should, and I love every word of them.<br /><br />P.S. It's obvious they had sex, and it's truly (no hyperbole) the sexiest scene I've ever read.<br /><br />P.P.S. The get-a-cabin comment reminds of a night in class when this guy and I ended up leading the "Angelic" and "Satanic" (my professor's labels, not mine) sides of the debate in the Paradise Lost fandom. When it was over, I jokingly thought to myself, "If this were movie, we'd be each other's love interest from now on." We also both worked in the campus tutoring center, and the very next day at work, he ran up to me and said breathlessly, with no preamble, no introduction whatsoever, "I hope you don't mind me saying this, but I just adore you!" Long story short, I jumped to the wrong conclusion, although we did become friends. The point: spirited debate does not to sexual tension lead (sadly).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-43543720741394016592016-02-12T17:56:33.560-05:002016-02-12T17:56:33.560-05:00Indeed--I think you can definitely read multiple m...Indeed--I think you can definitely read multiple meanings into that title.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-8402151196052866502016-02-12T15:44:39.201-05:002016-02-12T15:44:39.201-05:00Hey, I just got the following idea: most people ta...Hey, I just got the following idea: most people take "Prisoner of White Agony Creek" as referring to Goldie, thus breaking the "the title refers to Scrooge" rule. But what if it <i>isn't</i>, actually, breaking the rule ? Scrooge is prisoner of the "hard-working stinger" persona he built himself (in other words, of his pride), a self-made prison which keeps him from admitting his feelings for Goldie and living a happy life with her.<br /><br />What do you think ?Achille Talonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636339293230261724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-20279229998787921982015-05-10T22:36:36.293-04:002015-05-10T22:36:36.293-04:00For once we agree on something.For once we agree on something.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13787046503098249123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-7602693037205234352015-05-10T06:45:01.924-04:002015-05-10T06:45:01.924-04:00Boy, THERE'S a gruesome thought.Boy, THERE'S a gruesome thought.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-85199942202861338882015-05-10T00:13:18.527-04:002015-05-10T00:13:18.527-04:00You two going at each other's throats is not u...You two going at each other's throats is not unlike Goldie and Scrooge themselves. Go spend a month in a cabin!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-21196046443827458802015-01-08T16:27:47.062-05:002015-01-08T16:27:47.062-05:00You're still here?You're still here?GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-83787510966731683912015-01-08T10:31:33.550-05:002015-01-08T10:31:33.550-05:00Well guess what...
A. It doesn't even look li...Well guess what...<br /><br />A. It doesn't even look like a sex scene. Heck I didn't even know that some people considered an implied sex scene until I read about it on a blog.<br /><br />B. Every blog, besides yours, that I've read about says it's up to the readers to decide what happened.<br /><br />C. I asked Rosa himself what his intent was and he said it was to me to decide!<br /><br />D. Maybe it was Rosa's intention to stick an implied sex scene in there. But it was NEVER OFFICIALLY confirmed! And until it's OFFICIALLY confirmed it didn't happen in my world!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13787046503098249123noreply@blogger.com