tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post7156750224201909156..comments2024-03-28T03:15:52.497-04:00Comments on Duck Comics Revue: "The Captive Castaways"GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.http://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-62437730086084128302023-08-10T00:53:11.979-04:002023-08-10T00:53:11.979-04:00Does anyone know where a copy of this story can be...Does anyone know where a copy of this story can be found ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-48361020700861518162018-04-07T08:55:35.126-04:002018-04-07T08:55:35.126-04:00Sorry for the egregious necroposting, but on the s...Sorry for the egregious necroposting, but on the subject of Pete's illiteracy: the canonicity of that is of course extremely up-in-the-air, but it's worth mentioning that when Pete was introduced, waaay back in the silent cartoon <i>Alice Solves the Puzzle</i>, he was identified as "notorious bootleg <i>and crosswords enthusiast</i>" (emphasis mine). So…Achille Talonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636339293230261724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-80908999686649933952015-10-26T10:40:35.504-04:002015-10-26T10:40:35.504-04:00The "fate worse than death" that Pete th...The "fate worse than death" that Pete threatens Minnie with in these comics (and really, in the cartoons too) isn't too uncommon given the period. Hollywood villains during the silent era usually had these kind of sexual designs on the heroine when he got her alone. It's also an easy way to ramp up suspense and make the bad guy all the more hiss-worthy.<br /><br />Pete is also part of the "heavy" tradition, the huge adversary to physically slight comedians like Charlie Chaplin or Buster Keaton. So yeah, the rape-y stuff is really creepy, especially since these characters are associated with the family friendly realm of Disney, but it's not too surprising when you examine the context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-20578590011898118462012-07-17T17:54:33.484-04:002012-07-17T17:54:33.484-04:00I'd call what Mickey was trying to do with Pet...I'd call what Mickey was trying to do with Pete more "flattery" than "flirting", trying to get Peg-Leg Pete off his guard by playing to his ego.Debbie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648307522331962265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-25838946686028195932012-07-16T06:41:25.918-04:002012-07-16T06:41:25.918-04:00@David: In a Gottfredson story from the Second Wor...@David: In a Gottfredson story from the Second World War Pete still can't read!Simhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00702600360874004926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-77629255403229154842012-07-08T18:39:20.523-04:002012-07-08T18:39:20.523-04:00On the visual representation of gender: I find it ...On the visual representation of gender: I find it very amusing that the flower that springs up from Minnie's hat also trails from her aviator's helmet.Elainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-36272847314683432022012-07-08T17:53:29.849-04:002012-07-08T17:53:29.849-04:00Sure, but I’d say it was the COMICS Mouse characte...Sure, but I’d say it was the COMICS Mouse characters that felt "more real". The cartoons of the ‘30s period, be they Mickey or Popeye were great fun and had a charm of their own – but neither felt in any way “real”. <br /><br />That’s Unca Floyd’s work you’re groovin’ on! Not some animator's! ;-)Joe Torciviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421096229407174474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-8578861469589629492012-07-08T17:35:33.308-04:002012-07-08T17:35:33.308-04:00Yeah, no doubt it is the usual thing. For some re...Yeah, no doubt it is the usual thing. For some reason, though, it never quite struck me in the same way in Popeye cartoons. Maybe because the mouse characters feel more real to me? That seems plausible.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-53259375429799545062012-07-08T16:44:38.282-04:002012-07-08T16:44:38.282-04:00Oops! Re: illiterate Pete, in "The Great Orph...Oops! Re: illiterate Pete, in "The Great Orphanage Robbery," he signs his name with an X.<br /><br />One year later, though, in "Editor-in-Grief" (same FGL volume!), he has clearly learned to read. So now we know how he passed the time in jail...ramapithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751343744514656549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-48372704583701324702012-07-08T16:40:51.925-04:002012-07-08T16:40:51.925-04:00Hey, Geoff and all. I'm stuck with a lot of wo...Hey, Geoff and all. I'm stuck with a lot of work and a bad cold today, so I'm not sure I can get all my thoughts in order—yet.<br />But...<br /><br />"[Pete] pushes the overtones of sexual violence into the realm of comic villainy, thus minimizing it. Surely not ideal."<br /><br />Joe's comparison of Bluto is right on the money, Geoff. The same goes for the depiction of many less famous "hulking bully" villains in cartoons of the early sound era. A big lug can almost always be counted on to push unwanted advances on the female lead.<br /><br />But while it may not be ideal from a modern perspective, it makes sense in a different way: these typically roly-poly, clumsy villains would merely be figures of fun were the threat of unwanted advances not included. It's the shorthand by which Gottfredson, and the other auteurs of the day, reminded us that "hey, this bad guy may be funny, but he's still a very real and present danger."<br /><br />For what it's worth, Gottfredson also seems to have been trying to modify the portrayal himself. Pete isn't only "in lust" with Minnie; as the story moves on, he appears to think he's genuinely in love with her—with no ill intent meant. (Of course, that may make him more dangerous, not less!)ramapithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751343744514656549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-46601501180081587762012-07-08T15:29:51.975-04:002012-07-08T15:29:51.975-04:00How different was that – really – from Bluto?
Su...How different was that – really – from Bluto? <br /><br />Such behavior may have been a “shorthand characterization” of the era. <br /><br />At least *I* view it as such.Joe Torciviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421096229407174474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-77721639505432685512012-07-08T12:23:03.527-04:002012-07-08T12:23:03.527-04:00Geo,
[G]Still and all, though, the fact remains, ...Geo,<br /><br />[G]Still and all, though, the fact remains, Minnie can go along and have adventures with Mickey like this. Can you imagine Daisy participating in a big ol' picaresque adventure with Donald? Can you imagine her wanting to?[G]<br /><br />Nope... and that's the biggest difference between Daisy and Minnie. Though it must be pointed out that, once Goofy was well established as a fully-realized character, he became the "standard companion" for Mickey on the latter's adventures. Gottfredson himself claimed that Goofy was the ideal adventuring partner for Mickey because Goofy was such a good contrast for the Mouse in terms of style and personality. (This may, by the way, help to explain why Minnie was "ditzified" to such an extent for this story -- to make her a clearer contrast to Mickey.)<br /><br />[G] Has Pete always been illiterate? Possibly the question simply never came up before. Though I'll bet we could probably find *something* that contradicts it if we looked through Gottfredson's entire corpus.[G]<br /><br />Well, it's kind of hard to imagine the Pete who runs the used car lot in GOOF TROOP being illiterate... Or should I refrain from going there?<br /><br />[G] I wouldn't say that this story is an all-time favorite of mine--it's kind of all over the map in a way that doesn't always work to its advantage--but it's still plenty fun and interesting.[G]<br /><br />Agreed. It's fun but doesn't quite measure up to some of Floyd's upcoming, tighter narratives.<br /><br />ChrisChris Barathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845538037091279990noreply@blogger.com