tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post5622200144394968809..comments2024-03-28T03:15:52.497-04:00Comments on Duck Comics Revue: "The Last Lord of El Dorado"GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.http://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-11624211487720507952021-07-02T16:05:17.201-04:002021-07-02T16:05:17.201-04:00Well pickle me and call me dill. If you aren't...Well pickle me and call me dill. If you aren't aware of this, please read this:<br /><br />https://featherysociety.proboards.com/post/25434/thread<br /><br />"the rope bridge scene, which is lifted almost panel-for-panel in The Last Lord of Eldorado. It works considerably better in its original context, where it doesn't require anyone to act out of character. As a student, Lance can get away with the outrageous physics calculations that seems out of place for Huey, Dewey, and Louie -- and Smyte trampling on Lance's head for comedic effect makes more sense than Uncle Scrooge doing the same."Specialist Spectrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07573706778596800678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-39587736361002503092017-11-30T07:00:36.043-05:002017-11-30T07:00:36.043-05:00So, Did Gloomgold lose all hie money ? 'cause ...So, Did Gloomgold lose all hie money ? 'cause in my version, Scrooge is forced to give the eldorado to government authoritiesUknnownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873251797732122490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-82508740968225829162012-10-24T07:17:50.326-04:002012-10-24T07:17:50.326-04:00Note that Donald appears to have Gladstone-level l...Note that Donald appears to have Gladstone-level luck in those stories (even if he gets hurt a lot)Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-31891640808869804762012-10-24T07:15:48.053-04:002012-10-24T07:15:48.053-04:00I'm aware of that Geox. Still I like to thrown...I'm aware of that Geox. Still I like to thrown in my five cents as well I love to hear you guys opinions (even if they are radically diffrent) since youre expiriance with duck stories is complitly diffrent and its very interesting to me.<br /><br /><br /><br />I also had problem wit the second THREE CABALLEROS story. In the first one it worked for me : the running gag with Donald being smack by things around him while Jose and Panchito coment on how awsome he is. If you look agian he was still pretty active in that story and got some ideas (like with the train) that trully saved the day.<br />In the second one however I felt Rosa run this running joke into the ground (I have a similiar problem with the second Arpin Lusene story) Jose and Panchito really felt like the same character most of the time or even felt like unity (they bearly even get solo moments like they got a lot in the first story)and - yhe - Donald wasn't very active in the story. <br /><br />I get what Rosa was trying to make but it just wasn't very efective this time around... I wish that entire story was like the last four pages - just Caballeros being presented as kick-ass adventure team and not just Donald doing all the work by mistake while Jose and Panchito complimante him... it worked in the first story since it was just a side gag and not the main focuse - here is all they really do...Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-36830591993644670382012-10-23T12:16:02.261-04:002012-10-23T12:16:02.261-04:00I think, Pan, that we view the nature of these sto...I think, Pan, that we view the nature of these stories and their relation to character in fundamentally different ways.<br /><br />I agree with you, Chris, that that bit in the Caballeros story is pretty bad; in Rosa's semi-defense, he seems pretty clearly to be doing it so as to be able to build Donald back up. I don't think it really works, though; the idea that he would be that low in the first place isn't really believable or appealing, and as I recall (haven't read the story in a while), he doesn't even take a particularly active role in it that would lead to us seeing him as really overcoming his problems.<br /><br />GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-35617986869582902532012-10-23T09:41:58.632-04:002012-10-23T09:41:58.632-04:00I don't mind drulling this much... its just fo...I don't mind drulling this much... its just for comedic efect..Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-67590370859932639452012-10-22T13:39:14.482-04:002012-10-22T13:39:14.482-04:00Geo,
As bad as this "Unforgivable Moment&quo...Geo,<br /><br />As bad as this "Unforgivable Moment" was, it still pales in comparison with "Donald lying in a puddle of his own drool" at the start of that Three Caballeros reunion story. That was positively distasteful to behold.<br /><br />Say, doesn't Glomgold have a "drooly" moment in "El Dorado"? (He does.) What kind of weird oral fixation was Don acting out here?!<br /><br />ChrisChris Barathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845538037091279990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-10551006274880308102012-10-20T10:35:42.098-04:002012-10-20T10:35:42.098-04:00ReviewOrDie, I very much look forward to your reco...ReviewOrDie, I very much look forward to your reconstituted comments on your blog; sounds like a very interesting take on Scrooge's character in relation to Donald. LOOnE2n, it's true that Scrooge could not have saved Donald by walking out to him; that's no doubt what the nephew is trying to tell him ("you can't..."). The point is more that he should have put Donald's safety first, by conferring with HDL on how to save him or the like. I myself was not bothered by the scene, though I didn't find it terribly funny, either. Just over-the-top silly, absurd, as Pan M. says. One of the issues here, as LOOnE2n says, is the question of the degree to which we're supposed to be operating with cartoon physics. Rosa's more history-based, "realistic" world makes you think the world should be operating normally, with characters in mortal peril, but he does sometimes use cartoon physics himself, so as a reader I'm not always sure which physics is operating. I realize that this doesn't really address the character issue (how completely lacking in human feeling Scrooge appears to be here), but it does affect how the reader assesses the level of danger to Donald, and thus whether the reader is willing to even consider laughing. Here, I felt Donald was in anxiety and great discomfort, but I didn't imagine him in actual pain or danger, certainly not with HDL nearby.<br />That said, I think it would have been funnier to me if Scrooge had worked on saving Donald with HDL, and rejoiced at the rescue, seemingly happy about Donald's safety, but had then ignored Donald completely to focus on the document. That would leave open the ambiguity of whether he really cared more about Donald (and couldn't admit it publicly) or about the document. Elainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-34848385685733072102012-10-20T06:38:09.562-04:002012-10-20T06:38:09.562-04:00For me the "Unforgivable Part" was such ...For me the "Unforgivable Part" was such a absurd joke it is hard to treat it as a serious story point/momnent/something that shows Scrooge dosen't care about Donald. <br /><br />For me this part is as absurd as Eisner award in the final chapter of LO$. Its like when Rosa mentioned he would never had Beagle Boys or Magica seriously try to harm Scrooge unles it was a part of a really funny gag... Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-80569990952664066142012-10-19T22:02:23.449-04:002012-10-19T22:02:23.449-04:00Hello. Longtime reader, first time commentator. ...Hello. Longtime reader, first time commentator. Anyway the "Unforgivable Part" bothered me too at first when I read the story, but I just want to state and in Scrooge (and/or Rosa)'s defense that even if Scrooge had wanted to save Donald (which he told his nephews to do), it would've been physically impossible since Donald was holding the rope that Scrooge was walking on. If he had tried, both ducks would've suffered the same injury. <br /><br />Also bear in mind that all that resulted a was a "harmless" injury, so Scrooge just might be aware of the laws of "cartoon physics" (even if they don't know they're actually appearing in a comic story but it could just be accepted physics in their own universe) - which he very well knows that Donald is prone to anyway.<br /><br />Having said that, sometimes you have to wonder why in Rosa's stories Donald continues to help Scrooge after all the physical and verbal abuse. IMO it would be fully justified for Donald to just leave for home in the middle of an adventure in a situation like the above-mentioned example.L00nE2nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17517878399114665025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-52703159831258284182012-10-19T10:59:33.566-04:002012-10-19T10:59:33.566-04:00The thing with Donald abuse to me is, that it shou...The thing with Donald abuse to me is, that it shouldn't get too over the top. I see Donald as a (more or less) sympathetic character, especially in adventure stories like these. He can get some abuse, like Fraulein Glomgold's slap. That's actually pretty funny and okay, since it's off-hand and it's Glomgold and Donald deserved it.<br /><br />Sometimes Rosa goes too far, but so did Barks in my opinion. The quiz show story where Donald tries to earn a ton of cash by studying real hard is an example. Then again, I might think that because later stories depict Donald as being perpetually strapped for cash. I always had the idea he really needed the money in that story. Or in another story, where Donald builds a pool, to end up being harassed by children and their mothers. What the heck?<br /><br />Another problem with the Unforgivable Bit in this story, is that it's Scrooge. If it had been Glomgold doing that, it would have been okay, even in character. But Rosa depicts Donald as a loser who doesn't even get respect from his own family. Does Scrooge respect him? Not really. The nephews? Nope. Daisy? Come on. Rosa believes it so much, he's even used it as plot devices (The Duck Who Never Was, Three Caballeros stories). We know all the great things Donald has done. But he seems to have devolved from unlucky everyman to super loser, and Rosa isn't the only writer who does that.Duckfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-49589265574752720332012-10-19T02:56:34.249-04:002012-10-19T02:56:34.249-04:00We may have different backgrounds, but that first ...We may have different backgrounds, but that first paragraph sounds like an absolutely fascinating interpretation of the story. And it seems like you have a potentially very fruitful approach of approaching the stories as parts of a whole, rather than wholly self-contained, as I've always done. It seems obvious when you say it, but I doubt it ever would've occurred to me on my own that this was Flintheart's final Rosan appearance.<br /><br />As always, I look forward to your thoughts, whether on your blog or in comments or wherever.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-49618719624262427972012-10-19T02:25:29.294-04:002012-10-19T02:25:29.294-04:00I wrote a whole page in a word document about the ...I wrote a whole page in a word document about the unforgivable thing, posted it here, and it didn't show up. This makes me terribly sad. I talked about Scrooge's emotional dependence on Donald, seeing him as a truly stable figure in his life, a protege for reasons that are character-based and supported in the text of Rosa and Barks' work, and how the sequence indicates that Scrooge is basically wholly emotionally screwed up by believing that the one really solid pillar in his life is invincible, because Scrooge was once invincible. Back when he was young. Back when he was happy. Back when he was more like Donald than he is now. And how Scrooge works to make Donald more like himself, so that Scrooge won't have to see what he might have been, if he'd chosen to stay.<br /><br />I even touched on the blase aspect he takes to these adventurous situations, regarding how he feels now compared to how he feels in his youth. Well... shit, now I'm kinda ticked. I'll type it again for my review. I agreed with you though, that it was neither funny nor in any way an action that ought to be considered acceptable behavior for Scrooge. Telling, but not acceptable.<br /><br />You make a lot of good points that I really love, particularly as relates to Scrooge's intended levels of sympathy and the way he's treated between Barks and Rosa. I always feel ill-equipped to discuss these stories with you when you come from such a strong Barksian background, my points always feel very ill-informed, but we're on a very similar wavelength on this story.<br /><br />The only point I wish to note is that this is the end of Glomgold. He never appears in another Rosa story, nor should he, because in a very permanent way he's been defeated. I know we're used to the reset button, but Like "The Treasury of Croseus", this is something of a retirement story. Glomgold is brought back to Rosa's first story, and it very fully and completely <i>ends</i> the conflict.<br /><br />... or at least, that's what I say up until I look at "A Little Something Special", which actually does end every conflict very decisively. But this is a retirement story for Glomgold in that it ends the rivalry, loose as the narrative may be, because Glomgold's corporation may be solid but there's no way he could ever earn another Money Bin's worth of cash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-78841404728568676242012-10-17T00:20:01.134-04:002012-10-17T00:20:01.134-04:00Yeah, "Croesus" has a great ending, no d...Yeah, "Croesus" has a great ending, no doubt about it. Definitely one of Rosa's stronger portrayals of Donald.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-11171048630251887822012-10-16T23:51:41.166-04:002012-10-16T23:51:41.166-04:00My feminist heart is torn, here--I agree that Dona...My feminist heart is torn, here--I agree that Donald's kissing waitress-Glomgold is a disturbing act of sexual harrassment. On the other hand, I really love how the Mother Superior sees through Glomgold's nun disguise due to his inferior judo technique. (Joe will be pleased to hear that I am for the first time watching the Honey West series--the first TV P.I. of either gender to use martial arts!) <br /><br />On Rosa and treasure-hunting: Overall, it's clear that it's the *adventurous* aspect of Scrooge's expeditions which Rosa can wholeheartedly endorse, not the profit-seeking goal. Certainly his theory that Scrooge's real attachment to the money in the bin is as souvenirs is another way of sidelining the sheer love of money. (And Barks of course also reminded the reader now and then of the folly of loving money above all, as in "The 24-Carat Moon".) And then, one of the main problems with having a Barksian treasure hunt nowadays is the contemporary awareness that, um, cultures mostly deserve to keep their cultural heritage, which usually includes any ancient treasures found on their territory. Rosa had an old-fashioned "naive" treasure hunt in "The Crocodile Collector", but mostly he was restrained by the awareness that it's problematic for the American plutocrat to waltz into an underdeveloped nation and cart off ancient artifacts & jewels & such. Rosa is far from the only one to be aware of this issue in duck comics: you can see it operating as far back as Fallberg's 1976 "Treasure Above the Clouds", as well as in more recent stories such as Kruse's 1989 "Treasure Temple of Khaos". Sometimes Rosa devises an alternative payoff, as in "The Treasury of Croesus": the cool parallels between Croesus and Scrooge, the proof that Scrooge really is the richest guy ever, and the chance for Donald to show his wisdom by declaiming the folly of seeking ever more riches!Elainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-21712699359030345912012-10-16T18:43:05.304-04:002012-10-16T18:43:05.304-04:00Ok mayby "You trash this story" is to ha...Ok mayby "You trash this story" is to harsh of statetment. Still I'm happy you broth up the good parts not just stuff you hated :)<br /><br /><br />Personally I like everything about this story - including Golmgold and how Scrooge tricks him at the end (well, sort of) this story must have some of my favorite face expresions and mimics as far Rosas art go.<br />The only problem I had is the fact this story was publish in Poland BEAFORE "Son of the suns" so maaaaaany people where confuse about what the heck Golomgold got so angry in the last three panels... ;)Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-68817120415351681002012-10-16T18:32:19.686-04:002012-10-16T18:32:19.686-04:00Wow Faster, Harder, More Challenging GeoX! Thanks ...Wow Faster, Harder, More Challenging GeoX! Thanks for mentioning me :D Now I fetl so notable :)<br /><br /><br />Anyway - I'm actually on a oposite side of the coin since... this is actually among my favorite Don Rosa stories. <br /><br />Heck! It made number 5 on my top favorite Don Rosa stories list :<br />Http://panmilus.blogspot.com (I didn't list Life and Times since it felt like a cheat)<br /><br />I actually like the dark joke of Scrooge not rescuing Donald on the brdige, however I have to note I myself have taste for absurd and macabre humor and I can see why somebody would hate this joke for being to of character both for Scrooge and the spirit of Carl Barks world.<br /><br /><br />Still I don't mind you trash this entire story in youre review ;)<br /><br />As for religion aspect : <br /><br />1) This must be the only Duck story to have nuns in it. I recal a priest making a came o in "Master of the Missisipi" and that Catholic priests would appear in Brazylian Jose Carioca story (this is Brazil after all) but by far this must be the only time we see nuns in a duck story<br /><br /><br />2) In "Letter from Hom" I alsways asume Donald was adresing *GOD* when he look into the sky sweating and say he was sorry and Luie even refrence him being turn into pilar of salt (Genesis 19:26)<br />I read that fans ask Rosa for years to make a "search for holly grail" story but he didn't wanted to do it since it's to dificult of a topic (It's tricky to refrence Jesus in a disney comic and even more tricky to do a honest holly grail story without mentioning him) so finally just put the grail as part of a biger treasue so he woudn't have to get into detal about it.<br /><br /> <br />3)The "Ten Avatars" is actually full of refrence to Hinduism and characters do reference diffrent Hindu gods etc. (I wonder did Hindu people found it in a bad taste when Donald refrence Lord Ganesha as "Chubby elephant-boy"...)<br /><br />Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-78100516336242386422012-10-16T17:48:28.533-04:002012-10-16T17:48:28.533-04:00Good comment as usual. As for religious stuff in ...Good comment as usual. As for religious stuff in Disney comics, let's not forget the end of "The Old Castle's Other Secret," in which the kids are opening the Ark of the Covenant while Donald tries to repair the Holy Grail that he's broken. I always thought that was rather daring on Rosa's part, though if forced to defend himself, I suppose he could argue, at least somewhat plausibly, that oh no, it's actually just an <i>Indiana Jones</i> reference.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-16943689083202360892012-10-16T17:10:44.505-04:002012-10-16T17:10:44.505-04:00Ah, just what I needed – Flintheard Glomgold in dr...Ah, just what I needed – Flintheard Glomgold in drag. And a very convincing drag for a bearded, elderly male, considering Donald instantly hits on him, in full view of at least 2/3 of his young nephews. This ought to lend itself to some serious queer studies work on the Disney Ducks. (Even if I were sick enough to contemplate the concept of Duck universe slash fiction, Donald & Glomgold would still be the last pairing I’d do. And btw, thanks for making me officially insane, Rosa.)<br /><br />Nah, actually I’m fond of these visual mini-narratives of Rosa’s, the kind that we usually only get with Gyro & Little Helper. But this particular Beer Hall Putsch (probably making Golmgold the Beer Hall Butch, haha oh yes I’m terrible) is a tad more disturbing than usual. It is also slightly inconsistent: Donald is able to deduce that Sister Flintheart is an imposter, yet he is not only fooled but actually aroused by Fräulein Glomgold. (Don’t worry, Dewey, about your uncle and guardian “beating up a nun”. Could be worse. At least he’s not hitting on her.) Perhaps Donald has a thing for bearded Bavarian women. Or he might just feel liberated in an Old World beer hall atmosphere. In the monastery, however, Donald’s suspicions appear to be awakened (at least in the Finnish translation) by Sister Flintheart’s decidedly un-nunnish behaviour.<br /> <br />(Boring aside: This means that Donald and the other Ducks must have some conception of what it entails to become a member of a convent. This is most interesting to me as religion is, for very obvious and very good reasons, an out-of-bounds subject for Duck comics. When we get to see any evidence of religion in them, it’s almost always in the context of an adventure abroad – famous religious buildings as localizing backgrounds etc. Sometimes we even get to see interaction with explicitly religious characters, such as the helpful Colombian mother superior in this story right here. But then it’s always for advancing the plot, acquiring information, and never for any explicitly religious reasons. We seem to be more at liberty when it comes to the religions of ancient cultures.<br /><br />I always find this a bit surreal since religion is probably the most prominent fixture of human society that seems absent from Duckburg. Yeah, Barks embellished the city with a gothic cathedral once, and a cross-adorned belltower is among the Duckburg buildings destroyed in Rosa’s 'Attaaaaaack!' but other than that, I recall few instances of evidence of religion in Duckburg. It's kind of weird to see nuns in Disney comics is what I mean, I guess.)<br /><br />And no, I have no justification for the Incident. It could have been slightly improved by playing it like 'haha, Scrooge is so deep in treasure-hunt mode that he’s become oblivious to all else' and having Scrooge actually realize this once he’s on firm ground with the parchment. That could still work story- and humour-wise. But here, Scrooge is perfectly aware of Donald’s peril and makes a conscious decision not to give a shit.<br /><br />Overall I’m pretty much in agreement with your assessment of this story. Not the greatest, but good nevertheless. Mostly an enjoying read with some good ol’ around-the-world treasure-hunting, some pretty spectacular sequences, a couple of nice twists and a decent portrayal of Glomgold. I admit there’s some serious dissonance with Glomgold trying to murder Scrooge & Co. with a boulder at one point and staging ridiculous disguise melodramas at another. Golmgold’s freaky rage face at the end, though, is simply awesome and all but steals the scene for me.Napoleonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06165836112735612036noreply@blogger.com