tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post18142888387631259..comments2024-03-28T03:15:52.497-04:00Comments on Duck Comics Revue: "A 'What-If' Love Story of Imaginary Proportions!"GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.http://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-4087198232548675122023-08-27T08:49:53.168-04:002023-08-27T08:49:53.168-04:00It's worth mentioning that while "Addio a...It's worth mentioning that while "Addio al Celibato" in Italian is an idiom that does, indeed, mean "Bachelor Party", it also literally means "Farewell to Bachelordom". Which, in essence, is the act of marrying, since you're leaving it behind. So it can, technically, be used as an euphemism for marriage itself, which is probably what the translators were going for.elfolampohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04762083316774889430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-31427195664096150252020-02-27T05:56:28.251-05:002020-02-27T05:56:28.251-05:00I'm a Brazilian, and I endorse Renato Canini a...I'm a Brazilian, and I endorse Renato Canini as our Carl Barks too.<br /><br />Canini even managed to bypass the Disney statute and sign one of his stories, in a subtle way: a bar off to one corner in a panel is called "Canini's bar". It was a Zé Carioca story; I'll try to locate it and bring it here.Ayrton Mugnaini Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12761472933940230832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-59700277386502105832017-01-14T05:14:24.797-05:002017-01-14T05:14:24.797-05:00Thank you! I'd love to read some of his work,...Thank you! I'd love to read some of his work, but I am given to believe that there are technical reasons why so little Brazilian material has appeared in the US. :(GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-35510631290998044082017-01-13T19:35:22.925-05:002017-01-13T19:35:22.925-05:00"is there someone in Brazilian comics conside...<i>"is there someone in Brazilian comics considered equivalent to Barks in the US and Scarpa in Italy? "</i><br /><br />Renato Canini. But he worked with Zé Carioca, from 1971 to 1978. He was extraordinary and his run (with scripts from Ivan Saidenberg) are considered classics here. <br /><br />http://submundo-hq.blogspot.com.br/2015/12/ze-carioca-melhor-fase-do-mais.html<br />Alexandre Lancasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461942415216459260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-82521847797868155302016-06-02T12:01:45.173-04:002016-06-02T12:01:45.173-04:00Well, the original portuguese name is Biquinho (&q...Well, the original portuguese name is Biquinho ("Little Beak"), since Fethry is called Peninha ("Little Feather"). Following that pattern, "Beaky" would be the logical name...<br /><br />And, man, how many people would link the name Dugan to the Yellow Kid? I wouldn't have made the connection in a million years!Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035615674471810698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-14073389324411427422016-05-30T14:12:13.467-04:002016-05-30T14:12:13.467-04:00He's never been published in English but the n...He's never been published in English but the name going around is "Dugan Duck", in homage to the old comic strip "The Yellow Kid".TheKKMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609361527127566133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-83719842207980589332016-05-30T12:07:41.209-04:002016-05-30T12:07:41.209-04:00They should try publishing the Fethry stories. The...They should try publishing the Fethry stories. They are easier to translate, not specifically brazilian in theme and really funny.<br /><br />To my money, only the original Al Hubbard Fethry stories are comparable to the brazilian stuff! The Red Bat and Biquinho (Fethry's nephew, I forgot his US name - it SHOULD be Beaky...) stories are great!Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035615674471810698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-74845094670363550102016-05-27T19:47:47.217-04:002016-05-27T19:47:47.217-04:00Thank you for that! It's all very interesting...Thank you for that! It's all very interesting and much appreciated. I really like the tidbit about the story being mentioned in the news. I'd love to see more of Jose Carioca in the states, though I understand why that's difficult. Hell, I'd just like to see more Brazilian material in general.<br /><br />Looking through the five issues of Série Ouro on inducks, I can see how the others would have less immediate appeal to American audiences. "Fethry becomes mayor" certainly shows promise, though, and given Dave Gerstein's fondness for the character...well, who knows? Personally, I'll take anything and everything I can get!GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-46941907065830047172016-05-27T06:40:26.721-04:002016-05-27T06:40:26.721-04:00No brazilian ever replied to this thread? I'm ...No brazilian ever replied to this thread? I'm not brazilian myself (portuguese), but I DID grow up in Brazil precisely at the time those comics were being published, so I may be useful.<br /><br />As mentioned before, the closest thing Brazil has to a "Carl Barks" is Renato Canini. He DID write a lot of his stories, but he wasn't that much of a writer/artist as Barks. He did a lot of collaborations, the most interesting with Ivan Saidenberg, as mentioned. Think of him as Brazil's Romano Scarpa. Most of his stuff was for José Carioca, so foreign reprints are fairly rare.<br /><br />The Donald Wedding issue was a BIG deal when first announced! I think it was the first time I saw a comic mentioned on a TV newscast! The publisher even created a new series ("Série Ouro Disney") pretty much just to accomodate it - something that simply didn't happen at the time! But when the issue got out, well, "underwhelming" simply isn't enough to describe it.<br /><br />12 year-old Pedro could understand the dream ending thing (it was more than telegraphed in the story itself), but the strange off-model artwork, with wild variations during the story itself, was a much bitter pill to swallow. I could understand it was dream world stuff and all that, but it still looked like crap. The writing was also quite crappy, with pretty much every single marriage cliche (and quite a few misoginist ones, although those flew over my head at the time). In truth, the comic is quite similar, misoginy included, to the old Donald' Diary cartoon. But done some 30 years later...<br /><br />Even weirder is that the VERY feminist brazilian Daisy series had started just the year before. Daisy's feminist characterization eventually would seep into the entire brazilian production, but this story seems to be an exception. Feminist or not, Daisy was still the insufferable harpy she is in most Disney comics (not that Donald is good boyfriend material, to be fair).<br /><br />The Série Ouro series continued with other dream world series that were, on the average, much better than the fist one. At least all of them had better artwork! The inevitable dream ending made them very predictable and the whole experiment only lasted five issues.<br /><br />To be fair, the brazilian production excelled at the short humoristic stories, NOT the long, ambitious ones. If you want to see the best brazilian Disney comics, look for the José Carioca stories or, probably easier to find translated, the Fethry Dusck stories (those were by far my favorites growing up!). The Donald Wedding issue is NOT representative of most brazilian comics!Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035615674471810698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-25937453066287817262016-04-10T05:33:40.979-04:002016-04-10T05:33:40.979-04:00Depends on the author, but some stories clearly fa...Depends on the author, but some stories clearly fall on this side, without irony.Julienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02010160324272126628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-59796780307749155842016-04-02T07:47:03.374-04:002016-04-02T07:47:03.374-04:00you would classify 80's Brazil Disney as femin...you would classify 80's Brazil Disney as feminist? I honestly still don't know whether to. It manages to both read as a misguided feminist attempt, and a parody of feminism.<br /><br />I wish I knew how to read up on the editorial and creative decisions behind the books. I'd love to know whether they meant to take the feminist angle, or mock it; who decided to revive Dickie Duck as an Archie-style comic; the updated 90's designs for Zé Carioca, etc.TheKKMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609361527127566133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-46552279470893248302016-04-02T05:55:18.689-04:002016-04-02T05:55:18.689-04:00Ah, some people who noticed the feminist side of t...Ah, some people who noticed the feminist side of the Brazilian 80's Disney stories ! It was not always accurate but still, it can sometimes be found in the most unexpected places. New Daisy was always the ambitious and successful one, helped with Clarabelle, and Donald/Fethry the goofy, lazy and incompetent when opposed to the gals. And mean but wise boss McDuck as the mediator.<br /><br />As for the lack of romantic Donald and Daisy stories, I think we have to blame Carl Bark's setting of his Daisy character. He always said he didn't like her. She was something like the eternal bachelorette in the Disney short movies, and he couldn't manage but to make her some kind of a harpie, the feminine side of Donald but with only negative aspects. In fact, Old Daisy is so unlovable that I often wondered HOW Donald and her could still be together.Julienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02010160324272126628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-35082703327173880912016-03-03T05:32:17.285-05:002016-03-03T05:32:17.285-05:00Tangentially related, but just wanted to mention a...Tangentially related, but just wanted to mention another Brazilian children's comic, Mônica's Gang, which had a naming gag I was dumbfounded when I was old enough to understand- a character, comparable to Peanuts' Pigpen, a kid who never bathes, has a pig as a pet.<br /><br />The pig's called Chovinista.<br /><br />I don't know how widespread it was, but at least in Lusophone circles in the 60's and 70's, as I later realised, a common feminist insult and term was to call men "chauvinist pigs", similar to the modern use of "misogynist" (which incidentally, I'm only seeing appear in Portuguese nowadays by English influence- generally people just used "machist").<br /><br />Just wanted to mention that, I first learned of the term "chauvinist pig" via a cute little pig in a Brazilian children's comic. A good comic series too, often completely off-kilter and deadpan in a way that the Disney comics sometimes feel like, but more extreme, probably since there's no Disney looking over the shoulder.TheKKMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609361527127566133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-34013208377075297642016-03-02T17:00:08.996-05:002016-03-02T17:00:08.996-05:00...also, that Fethry story sounds fun. I have the......also, that Fethry story sounds fun. I have the feeling that Disney's idiotic (let's call it like it is) censors would shy away from anything dealing with potentially controversial gender issues, but I'd love to see it in English nonetheless.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-40339288350525355572016-03-02T16:39:37.977-05:002016-03-02T16:39:37.977-05:00Thank you! This is all extremely illuminating. I...Thank you! This is all extremely illuminating. I too very much hope that we get to see more of this material in the States.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-48606781744985595202016-03-02T13:59:22.659-05:002016-03-02T13:59:22.659-05:00Oh wait nevermind.
Brazillian Barks- you've g...Oh wait nevermind.<br /><br />Brazillian Barks- you've got no-one, if by Barks you mean "someone who both in art and writing influenced things". You've got teams, though- Canini on art and Saidenberg on writing might be your best equivalent, shaping Zé Carioca from the Donald pastiche he was before in the Kato-drawn stories to his own, very modern Carioca, identity.TheKKMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609361527127566133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-6987001782963900842016-03-02T13:57:08.302-05:002016-03-02T13:57:08.302-05:00Aaaaaah dammit. Lol. Ok, let me try to redo it fro...Aaaaaah dammit. Lol. Ok, let me try to redo it from memory.<br /><br />- Brazillian kids comics explored gender politics in bizarre ways. Remember a story where Fehtry and his girlfriend are being super heroes. The owner of a store that's being robbed prefers to have Fethry protect it since he's a man. She complains she'll denounce them to the Feminist Association of Duckburg- which Fethry's fine with, he's part of the Misogynist Association of Duckburg! In the end Fethry's incompetent and she's the one who sorts the case- but still manages to nearly lose due to being charmed since the villain looked really hot, man. And then the story ends with Fethry being chased by an angry mob of feminists.<br /><br />Basically I wish there were a lot more comics like this in english, or that you knew Portuguese, knowing your political leanings I imagine you'd do some amusing articles about these stories.<br /><br />What else? Hm.<br /><br />Oh. European Portuguese is indeed different from Brazillian Portuguese. For a couple decades we just imported Disney comics form Brazil. When in the 80's we started having our own publications, we did indeed rewrite dialogues so they'd adjust to European grammar. Names and all were kept the same though, Grandma Duck is Vovó Donalda despite using Vovó as a diminutive of Avó (Grandmother) being something not really done in Portugal.<br />An exception to this process was made with Zé Carioca stories, which'd be imported untouched- and thus the readers'd immediately be informed from dialogue alone that they were set in Brazil, since everyone was speaking with Brazillian spelling and grammar. Clever stuff.<br /><br />Uuuh. Oh, this story was definitely editorially mandated and a big deal. It was the first story of the Série Ouro pub (kind of more ambitious stories?), and publicized on other publications. Hence the unassuming name not being a problem, it's complete clickbait, per se. "THE MARRIAGE OF DONALD DUCK!"<br />There was a similar story where Fethry became Mayor. Same team as this one, I think. also ended up being a dream when editorial was afraid of changing status quo.<br /><br />Whew. I think that's all, really. TheKKMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609361527127566133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-13089099967335632082016-03-01T21:15:47.325-05:002016-03-01T21:15:47.325-05:00Shit--i just turned off moderation for comments on...Shit--i just turned off moderation for comments on old posts; I don't know why I had that on in the first place. Also, I don't know if it's relevant to your problem (though it might be). I am afraid, however, that blogger has devoured your comment--I'm not seeing it in the moderation queue nor in my email where it's supposed to alert me about new comments. It's POSSIBLE it'll turn up--these things occasionally do--but I fear it's unlikely.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-47590933431433960552016-03-01T20:03:36.426-05:002016-03-01T20:03:36.426-05:00Ooer, I'd written a comment here, the biggest ...Ooer, I'd written a comment here, the biggest I've ever written in your blog, but you never posted it. Did the site eat it? I'll go mad if so!TheKKMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609361527127566133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-15816543724166434492016-03-01T02:34:03.230-05:002016-03-01T02:34:03.230-05:00You know...I'm very familiar with that story, ...You know...I'm very familiar with that story, and I should've noted that as a matter of course, but I didn't. I bow my head in shame.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-20262264243765397502016-02-29T22:14:47.682-05:002016-02-29T22:14:47.682-05:00After six years, someone has finally noticed Jon a...After six years, someone has finally noticed Jon and me tipping our hats to Barks' beekeeping story. We can die happy. (-:ramapithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751343744514656549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-72222789072292902002016-02-23T14:08:10.857-05:002016-02-23T14:08:10.857-05:00That's a great Barks reference with father Don...That's a great Barks reference with father Donald's dialogue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-67487081613256081662016-02-17T16:44:35.236-05:002016-02-17T16:44:35.236-05:00Interesting stuff! Thanks for the info. I hope w...Interesting stuff! Thanks for the info. I hope we see more of that stuff in the States. One of the stories we HAVE seen is one of those "Goofy Look at..." things ("Romance"), which was slight but amusing.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-79408772667617014852016-02-17T09:55:46.120-05:002016-02-17T09:55:46.120-05:00Some of the Brazilian stories from the 1980s are v...Some of the Brazilian stories from the 1980s are very good. The ones where Donald and Fethry are working for Scrooge as journalists (for US's TV channel or newspaper) are among those. These stories feature Daisy in a role that is largely unseen in other Disney comics, often struggling (as a woman) against Donald, Fethry and Scrooge. The stories are well drawn by Soares Rodriguez and other talented artists. Some examples are:<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+800011<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+870015<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+870183<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+860061<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+860066<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+860086<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+860129<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+860133<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+860151<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+860154<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+860168<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+840076<br />https://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=B+820346<br />The Brazilian also made nice-looking "historic" stories with Ludwig van Drake, some of them good, some other with lower quality. They did stories with Goofy as a professor (a series called "A Goofy look at") which are excellent as well, and nice stories with Mickey and Eega. They did very funny stories with Fethry living in Amazonia in the same way as Tarzan (see e.g. B 830046) and stories with Disney anti-super-heroes (Donald, Fethry, Mickey etc.).<br />The quality of the stories from the 1990s is not as good as in the 1980s, in my opinion.<br />However, the reference and "master" of Brazilian artists (and writer) is Renato Canini. His work is hard to translate, and almost never reprinted outside Brazil. Caninni did many stories with Joe Carioca, some of them reprinted in the following book:<br />https://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=br/MED++++5#a<br />There, Jose is a typical Carioca (stereotypical "smart" unhabitant of Rio who knows all the tricks) and lives in a Favela. I've always enjoyed the creativity of these stories, even though they are really ackward for Disney's canon. It's clear that Canini was especially good at depicting the Brazilian society (as I imagine it) in the 1970s. I've seen some of Canini's original art. Canini spent a lot of time doing the same art over and over again (he used razors to do the inking!), a fact that can be noticed in the published comics, if you look closely.<br />F Willothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04427037184740420029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-2415113873601084452016-02-16T13:50:23.795-05:002016-02-16T13:50:23.795-05:00Gneezles in a Mickey story! Woah! That'll be f...Gneezles in a Mickey story! Woah! That'll be fun to see!<br /><br />Richie: I agree that it's fun to imagine a "what if" story where Daisy and Donald get married and have a child and HDL get to interact with her/him. As the younger sister of identical twin boys, I'd rather expect HDL to be great older sibs. My theory is that most of the oppression of younger sibs is a sign of the older sibs' insecurities (Whom can I safely lord it over?), and that identical twins (and presumably triplets) are pretty emotionally secure, because they have each other. Someone always has their back. No need to hassle the kid sister/brother to establish their bona fides. Elainenoreply@blogger.com