tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post1576512222997141002..comments2024-03-28T03:15:52.497-04:00Comments on Duck Comics Revue: "The Seven Dwarfs and the Pirate"GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.http://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-20710621658939126442020-10-19T04:43:24.622-04:002020-10-19T04:43:24.622-04:00You might want to delete the sexy casino comment, ...You might want to delete the sexy casino comment, GeoX ;-)Specialist Spectrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07573706778596800678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-1115075627402328712020-10-05T13:54:15.805-04:002020-10-05T13:54:15.805-04:00Good point Adamant. I can sent you the scans ;) Good point Adamant. I can sent you the scans ;) Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-73875317754827131652020-10-05T13:51:36.962-04:002020-10-05T13:51:36.962-04:00Can we peer pressure you into reviewing those diff...Can we peer pressure you into reviewing those different comic adaptations of Snow White too? That sounds a lot more interesting.Adamanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12424537596238450467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-42527161600925899922020-10-05T02:50:43.602-04:002020-10-05T02:50:43.602-04:00We belive in you GeoX! If anyone can do it it'...We belive in you GeoX! If anyone can do it it's you! ^_^Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-73728958796597985992020-10-05T00:02:28.916-04:002020-10-05T00:02:28.916-04:00Thanks; I actually have a copy of that, but it'...Thanks; I actually have a copy of that, but it's better not to have to scan it. Of course, now that Peer Pressure is compelling me to READ the damn thing, the next entry is delayed.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-18098018425905997382020-10-04T10:16:23.326-04:002020-10-04T10:16:23.326-04:00Will a scan of "Captain Hook and the Buried T...Will a scan of "Captain Hook and the Buried Treasure" in its 1986 reprint in Walt Disney's Comics Digest do?<br /><br />https://www.zipcomic.com/walt-disneys-comics-digest-issue-2Mesteriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04285238124626733583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-66187438091915794232020-10-04T00:35:23.248-04:002020-10-04T00:35:23.248-04:00Okay, WHATEVER, man. If you lunatics REALLY want ...Okay, WHATEVER, man. If you lunatics REALLY want this, one of you has to send me scans of this Peter Pan Treasure Chest, which I've realized I don't have on file.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-10117657510655300102020-10-03T18:32:46.198-04:002020-10-03T18:32:46.198-04:00I still would LOVE to see GeoX take on some of the...I still would LOVE to see GeoX take on some of the comics adaptations of Snow White - the early one is extra interesting as the have some "deledet" (storyboarded but never aniamted) scenes from the movie - including an entire subplot about the Prince and even the newer adaption - the one in tree issues - which expends the story and makes Snow White more flesh-out character but in a way that stay true to the spirit of the movie and is (in my opinion) incredible charming<br /><br /><br /><br />Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-50355970866639062152020-10-03T16:01:43.403-04:002020-10-03T16:01:43.403-04:00By the way, I too would love to see a review of th...By the way, I too would love to see a review of the Peter Pan story with Yellow Beak. C'mon, GeoX, give it a shot. :) Remember, you used to say you'd never write about any Mouse stories too once upon a time.Mesteriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04285238124626733583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-80800468593366545882020-10-01T19:05:36.060-04:002020-10-01T19:05:36.060-04:00I always found "Robin Hood" a very relax...I always found "Robin Hood" a very relaxing movie... there is not much story and scenes go for very long but that's what I like about it - it's very chill... at the same time I love the climax - especially the first half, where there is little action but a lot of sneaking around... very quite...<br /><br />I recall when I watch it for the first time when I was a kid, some scenes like Marian playing with the childreen felt to go way to long but now I appreciate them a lot, again, for just how chill they are.<br /><br /><br />And yes - I think the characters are likable bunch and It has some fine voice actors who add a lot of personality to the characters. I use to think of Marian as a bland female character but re-watching it recently - eh, she actually has a lot of personality and the way she and Robin flirts while fighting of guards is pretty funny.<br /><br />I will agree with criticism from one blogger (who's page's name escape my mind at the moment but I will be happy to give him full credit) that there is zero point of having characters be animals, as with exception of Sir Hiss it doesn't rally play a part. Robin Hood could have been a<br />dog, a cat or a rat and it wouldn't change much... but it's looks cute and that's good enough for me.<br /><br />I also wish they didn't cut the original ending, where Robin Hood is wounded and hidding with Marian... They get capture by Prince John and as he about to kill Robin King Richard appears in the last second. I don't know feels like a stronger ending then we just cut to like a year later when things turn-out all right.<br /><br />The way animation is reused get at points way to noticeable but in a way it fits the pencil style they are going for.<br /><br />As for "Sword in the Stone" - it's probably my second least favorite of "movies made while Walt was alive" after "Peter Pans" but at the same time each time I watch I always get the vibe "Oh, yhe! It's better then I remember". I guess I would like to see more interesting take on Arthurian legends from Disney then "Merlin and Arthur turn into animals to learn (?) stuff"... but much like Robin Hood I think that the chill-relax atmosphere they create works to it's advantage. Here the only character I really enjoy is Merlin but at least he is the lead character... Well, ok Madam Mim is tones of fun as well but she dosen't appear until the last third but I love their magical duel in how creative it was. I never liked the proto-Biff from Back to the Future bully character but at least he is meant to be unlikable.Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-23460327556734814582020-10-01T19:03:51.425-04:002020-10-01T19:03:51.425-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-74097420616482946582020-10-01T18:58:38.890-04:002020-10-01T18:58:38.890-04:00If I may spread a few words around in defense of “...If I may spread a few words around in defense of “my anonymous writing forefathers” and, having written the American English script for <i>“Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold… Again”</i>, I guess I have as much cred as anyone to do so, it’s very easy, while sitting in front of a computer screen, or wielding a smart-phone, to forget (or, perhaps, fail to realize) that we are discussing something published in the year 1949!<br /><br />There were no “fans” as we know (live and breathe) them today! Mostly these were people (very often different people – book-to-book and story-to-story) who were “just doing a job”! <br /><br />This is why there was little to no “continuity” even in the most popular superhero comics, much less Dell/Disney titles. My guess is that “Writer-A” was simply given a premise or springboard by an editor, and told “come back in a week” with a story to be drawn by “Artist-B”. That Yellow Beak even HAD such a recurring role in pre-fandom comics is a tribute to Barks and Hanna and to the character itself! <br /><br />Perhaps “Writer-A” was even given a file copy of <i>“Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold”</i> and asked to <i>“do something similar – only with dwarfs”</i>! And, if so, we should give “Writer-A” some CREDIT for doing something different with the idea, rather than basically repeating it as was done with the Peter Pan version! <br /><br />Whether or not we <i>“liked”</i> that “something different” was almost immaterial as (A:) “the fannish mindset, that causes some of us to pick it apart from the comfort of our respective man-and-gal-caves,” did not exist at the time, and (B:) DELL FOUR COLOR (of which this was Series II, issue 227) was a disjointed hodgepodge of every genre and available property under the sun – and, if an individual issue fell short, it was of minimal consequence. ...Though, as nicely drawn and presented as a story for younger readers as it was, I would imagine it was at least somewhat successful sales wise. <br /><br />As for any discrepancies with Disney-film source material, another thing that’s so easy to lose sight of is that such material might not have been available in ANY FORM to “Writer-A” at the time he/she was tasked with creating a pirate yarn for the Seven Dwarfs! “Writer-A” couldn’t just review the film <i>“Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs”</i> for accuracy before drafting the comic book tale – as I *did do* by re-reading <i>“Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold”</i> before scripting <i>“Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold… Again”</i>! <br /><br />If indeed “Writer-A” had even SEEN <i>“Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs”</i> at all, he/she might have recalled a witch and a magic mirror, without the specific knowledge or recollection of exactly how that dynamic worked. Just “put ‘em in the story” and that was probably good enough for the editor. <br /><br />So, before we all continue to question (or even mock) this story, please consider this bit of (easy-to-lose) perspective! And, as I always say at my film group… <i>“Judge everything by its time!”</i> …Here’s to you, “Writer-A” – and to artist Tony Strobl as well! <br /><br />Quick additional comments: A shout-out to Elaine for her reference to Scott Atlas! PERFECT!<br /><br />And, to Achille Talon… My greatest compliments for even ATTEMPTING to create a workable “Yellow Beak Timeline”, much less SUCCEEDING!Joe Torciviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421096229407174474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-38453993473856477832020-10-01T18:42:18.872-04:002020-10-01T18:42:18.872-04:00Oh, and another thing those movies have that Peter...Oh, and another thing those movies have that <i>Peter Pan</i> lacks: a strong, lovable cast! …I mean, I'll grant you that Arthur in <i>Sword</i> is as wet a sop as e'er there was. <br /><br />But that's definitely the case with <i>Robin Hood</i>, where on top of the villain/henchman duo being a winner on par with Hook and Smee (though I wouldn't say better), the <i>protagonist</i> — <i>and</i> his love interest — are both likable characters in their own right, rather than fairly bland audience identification figures like the Darling Children (Beaumont's performance aside), or insufferable gits (like Peter). Achille Talonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636339293230261724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-21715189670623941892020-10-01T18:13:13.209-04:002020-10-01T18:13:13.209-04:00Couldn't disagree more, Achille. But then agai...Couldn't disagree more, Achille. But then again, this is hardly the only thing we disagree on. ;) <br /><br />"Sword" and "Hood" are both utter bores story-wise (if you can even call what goes on in them proper 'stories'), and the animation is often overly formulaic too. They're perfect examples of why Walt should never have elected Woolie Reitherman as sole director of the animated features.Mesteriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04285238124626733583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-92158803599988028242020-10-01T17:56:02.526-04:002020-10-01T17:56:02.526-04:00Hogwash, says I! Peter Pan is visually lusher, of ...Hogwash, says I! <i>Peter Pan</i> is visually lusher, of course, but both these movies have considerably more charm — and aesthetic coherence — than it does. Achille Talonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636339293230261724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-40475852440630760922020-10-01T17:17:34.365-04:002020-10-01T17:17:34.365-04:00GeoX: I agree that Disney's version of Peter P...GeoX: I agree that Disney's version of Peter Pan is more childish and kid-friendly than the studio's epics of the 30s and 40s, but there are some things to enjoy from an adult point of view too. The best part may be Captain Hook, in the scenes animated by the character's supervising animator Frank Thomas. Michael Barrier has singled out Thomas' animation of Hook several times on his blog, in particular the scene where Hook sweet-talks Tinkerbell into revealing Peter Pan's hideout: http://www.michaelbarrier.com/WhatsNewArchives/2004/WhatsNewArchivesSept04.htm I have to agree that Hook in such scenes is a great character.<br /><br />As for Disney films made more or less squarely for kids, I think you can do worse than Peter Pan. It's far from my favorite Disney film, but I'll take it any day over stuff like The Sword in the Stone or Robin Hood, just to mention two of Disney's worst duds from later decades.Mesteriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04285238124626733583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-79285363788762611102020-10-01T15:38:13.869-04:002020-10-01T15:38:13.869-04:00Racist Disney Song Deathmatch: "What Makes th...Racist Disney Song Deathmatch: "What Makes the Red Man Red?" vs. "We Are Siamese." Whoever wins, we lose.<br /><br />But actually, that's not why I don't like the movie. You take something like Snow White or Pinocchio (whatever other problems I may have with that one) or Bambi of Fantasia and it feels like, okay, maybe in theory these are kids' movies, but they're really movies for everyone. Whereas Peter Pan feels very childish to me: like, this is basically a children's movie, and there's nothing in it that's meant to appeal to anyone who's not a small child. Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've seen it and that could be off, but such has long been my dominant impression of it.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-56017983871515655402020-10-01T15:15:31.337-04:002020-10-01T15:15:31.337-04:00I got the feeling that I had a lot more fun than I...I got the feeling that I had a lot more fun than I'd have reading that story. The idea of envolving the Dwarves and the Witch on a treasure quest might perhaps work in more creative hands. What we get here isn't particularly inventive. <br />And the Witch is kinda, with a dispropportionate head for her body. When I was a kid she was one of the scariest things in Disney villains, but if I'd read that story, I'd probably find her was silly.<br />And how come she's killed in the end? Shouldn't that iterfere on the status quo, like, the next story she's back in the forest and kids are like, "wait, wasn't she eaten alive?" My guess is that maybe she's immortal and can't be permanently killed. That could perhaps explain why Dopey is so unmoved by her fate.Marcus Viníciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10422398138200940611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-18287602977690882242020-10-01T10:35:33.518-04:002020-10-01T10:35:33.518-04:00I mean, it's very much the point of the movie,...I mean, it's very much the point of the movie, as a script, that Peter Pan is kind of the worst. The obvious narrative arc of the story is Wendy being disillusioned with how immature and jerkish Peter is in the flesh, when you're the victim of his boyish wit instead of some cardboard pirate.<br /><br />A critic somewhere (Tim Brayton?) arculated that the problem isn't that Peter is too unlikable, but rather that the movie doesn't commit to that. With how the first 45 minutes go, it <i>should</i> have a climactic scene of Wendy rejecting, or at least berating, Peter — but that would thematically require a rejection of the "never grow up" aesthetic, and the Dream Factory were hardly going to provide that, so there's a weird tension there.<br /><br />…And yeah, the whole "Red Man" sequence is just atrocious. With how silly the lyrics get, I'm <i>pretty</i> sure the idea is that those are supposed to be more… embodiments of 20th century kids' ideas of Injuns, as seen on Tee-Vee — or, I suppose, considering the alleged time period, in dime novels and the like. Just like how the pirates aren't really historically accurate pirates, but more an embodiment of the childish pirate imagery. (I like the <i>Tinker Bell</i> spinoffs too for what they are, but much as I like <i>Pirate Fairy</i> on its own terms, I feel queasy about positing that James Hook did in fact at one point live in the real world.)<br /><br /><i>But</i>, obviously, while this explains it somewhat, it doesn't excuse it. You don't have to seriously believe Native Americans look and act like this, for it to be horribly racist of you to just <i>present</i> these ridiculous caricatures as comic relief.<br /><br />…All of which said, the Tribe thankfully aren't in <i>Captain Hook Finds Buried Treasure</i>, and Peter isn't in it very much either. So… *shrug*Achille Talonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636339293230261724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-81767393177315025972020-10-01T03:41:38.361-04:002020-10-01T03:41:38.361-04:00While It woudn't shock me if Geox dislike may ...While It woudn't shock me if Geox dislike may come from the Native American depiction... which is super-duper racist my modern standards....<br /><br />I personaly always found it my least favorite of Disney movies made as Walt was alive.<br /><br />There are some things I like about it - Tinkerbell is a cute mime character that steals the show, Captain Hook and his sidekick are funny, I like the part with the mermaids who tries to draw Wendy (even if that scene get's shorter every time I re-watch it...) and... well, yhe - before I realise it's seen as racist - I think "What's makes the red man red" is very cathy and fun song and Tigger Lilly is pretty amusing in her serious dignity... honestly I wish she got a bigger part...<br /><br />As the rest of the movie... I don't know. The Darling childreen always felt to me like very generic, bland characters. Peter has an extra problem of not being especialy likable... he just comes of a jerk... same for the lost boys. Whenever all of these characters are alone... it's just not very interesting to me and these are ment to be our leads.<br /><br />I guess it dosen't help that the look of Never-never land isn't that interesting. There is something about the colors choicess in this movie that seam less magical and more... I don't know how to even call it. It's just not the look that screams "Oh, hell, yhe! It's a place I would like to have adventure". The animation is nice but felt like it saved it big guns for more slapsticky stuff like the Crocodile or fairy-dust effects on Tink. I guess I wish this movie had look closer to something like "Pinochio", where every thing felt very big and spectacular. Here it feels more like their Donald Duck short animaiton... which is fine, but I don't know. In "Alicie in Wonderland" and "Cinderella" despite similiar visual look they still manage to make it look grand and magical. Here it's good but nothing stand out. Maybe it blow minds of people at the time but the flying over London sequence never amazed me, even as a kid.<br /><br />Aside for that one song... which is now consider racist so damn, I can't even openly mention I enjoy it... I never realy loved any of the songs. None of it is bad as much it's just there. Heck, if you ask me what the songs are I propably coudn't name them all.<br /><br />Finaly - I'm not a Peter Pan purist but even I'm bother that they replace the iconic Tinkerbell get poison scene by a time bomb? It just felt... out of place. I mean, I know that "I belive in faries" thing woudn't work in a movie - even if it's a sentence I say every day just in case - but I donknow... We get very rush moment of Peter stainding sad over Tink dying off screen and then HA-HA! She is still alive next scene... and then we bearly see her for the rest of the movie. There is zero resolution to her hate for Wendy... After she just had the most heroic moment in this entire thing... And this feels like such a easy fix - Just have her dying from the poison and then Peter has to bring her to the Darling kids so they can say the "I belive in faries" secret formula, resurect her from the death and have her hugg Wendy or something... See, problem solved and less literal ticking clock in the third act. But maybe I'm writing my own movie at this point...<br /><br />So yhe, I can't say I hate this movie or anything, It's just of all the Disney movies (and by Disney I mean produced by the man himself) this is the one I watched the least times and the one I thnik about the least... Oddly enough I'm much more of a fan of the CGI Tinker Bell movies - Yhe, it's for younger kids but most of them are pretty darn enjoyable, they make neverland much more interesting place and that final one is a real tear jeker. I recomend these (well, ok the 4'th movie "Secret of the wings" sucks but as a series it's better then it has any right to be)Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-47008140197059065942020-10-01T03:34:50.027-04:002020-10-01T03:34:50.027-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-23557761189148161782020-10-01T03:17:52.592-04:002020-10-01T03:17:52.592-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pan Miluśhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364446151493198587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-21044116480249870022020-09-30T20:41:43.444-04:002020-09-30T20:41:43.444-04:00Okay, I've got to ask. What's your beef w...Okay, I've got to ask. What's your beef with Disney's Peter Pan? I mean, it's not my favorite or anything, myself, but I don't DETEST it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-25581551285814296282020-09-30T20:02:46.771-04:002020-09-30T20:02:46.771-04:00Oh yeah, duh: I could've mentioned Ursula. Th...Oh yeah, duh: I could've mentioned Ursula. The advantage of that of course is that she's a Disney character; the advantage of the Sea Hag is that she was around at the time and the writer might easily have been familiar with her.GeoX, one of the GeoX boys.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14658452994152399308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5423579092779163824.post-49305021336630629492020-09-30T16:46:51.713-04:002020-09-30T16:46:51.713-04:00I suppose Yellow Beak alone overtaking the Witch a...I suppose Yellow Beak alone overtaking the Witch as the world's richest person might make sense if he already has heaps of riches stashed away somewhere and even one-eighth of the treasure is enough to push him over Grimhilde in terms of wealth.<br /><br />Then I guess Yellow Beak and Grimhilde would have a similar dynamic to Scrooge and Glomgold, where the difference in their wealth is infinitesimal, but they feel compelled to stay on top as a matter of pride? Maybe they were Barks's inspiration.<br /><br />Also, if the sea has no witches, what does that make Ursula the Sea Witch?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com