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Thursday, February 26, 2026

"What If...? Minnie Became Captain Marvel"

 Okay okay, let's do this, by popular demand (?)--well, I probably DID at some point say I was going to do it, so here you go.  I haven't been following these Disney What If stories, but evidently they've been proliferating.  Woof.  If I'm required to write about all of them, I must've committed some pretty bad sins.  To be clear, I don't think I am.  I haven't even read those others; they sound just too insipid for words, at least given the series' track record.  So are you filled with excitement?  Let's do it.


So when I was first planning to write about this, I actually ended up reading the first dozen or so issues of the original Ms. Marvel (nee Carol Danvers), which kicked off in 1977, to prepare.  I enjoyed them, even if they did become pretty repetitive.  The character's abilities are fairly generic, in spite of her convoluted back story, but she IS notable as a specific feminist archetype.  This is exemplified  as exemplified by the use of "Ms," which was just becoming a big cultural thing in the seventies.  Gloria Steinem co-founded Ms. magazine in 1972, and we're off to the races.  She's an independent, self-reliant working girl making her way in a man's world, and she's in media, even.  What I'm saying is, she's basically Mary Tyler Moore.  J Jonah Jameson would have and no doubt at some point did derisively refer to here as a "women's libber."  So that is interesting and I like it.

At some point in the eighties she was changed to "Captain Marvel," which kind of makes sense--that archetype might have started to feel less legible by then.  However, this here story with Minnie IS based on the initial Ms. Marvel story arc, so calling her "Captain" gets a little confusing.  And yet, now there's a different character using that name, so maybe there's no way it's not confusing.  Maybe this is just nitpicking, but this is all very complicated, and I just don't think any of this really supports a one-shot parody.  Not that it was going to be great anyway, but you know.

(Side note: the new Ms. Marvel is a Pakistani-American teenager named Kamala Khan.  That's good representation, and it's sure to piss off all the right people, so I approve, BUT: in the MCU, whether it's the Ms. Marvel miniseries or the Captain Marvel movie, whenever her superhero name is pronounced, she's referred to as "Miss Marvel."  Jeez, man.  Have we forgotten the point of the character?  Yes, obviously, she exists in a very different context, but...I mean, if you don't want to use the word correctly, just call her "Miss."  I think Ms. is better, but come on.  I feel like people have this same issue with Ms Pacman.  We do not need to know the marital status of this ravening yellow orb, people!)

I guess I should actually talk about it though, shouldn't I?  Let's just start with two things: first, it does look quite good, in my estimate.  So bully for that.  And second, the script is extremely wooden--as you'd expect, but also, seriously guys, what the hell?  In their notes to these books, the editors always go out of their way to talk about how fantastic and fun the stories are, and to try to give you the impression that they're big Disney fans.  So how are they just okay with this dull-ass writing?  Say what you will about Superhero comics, but they don't generally suffer from this particular problem.  Do the editors just assume that yeah, this is what Disney-comics fans want?  More likely, I suppose, they're dutifully parroting the official line.  So why is the official line so shitty?  I cannot tell you.


Who IS behind the identity of Captain Marvel?  Or, more relevantly, who is responsible for that ungainly phrasing?

Dammit, maybe I was right not to write about this, since you can't do it without getting bogged down in ALL this superhero lore.  But the idea with Ms Marvel is that she has a split personality, one as a regular person and one as an alien fighting crime, neither knowing the other exists.  So she has to learn about this and how to control them and everything.  And that's definitely an oversimplification, but it's all I can manage, and I think it's good enough.  So that's what this story is about, sorta kinda.  Scrooge as Jameson is an obvious idea, and potentially a good one, but don't expect much here.

The idea is that she gets dizzy before transitioning personalities.  Well, in theory that's the idea, although here it just seems to be happening to remind us of the story we're reading.


Yeah, this guy's in the original story, too; he wants revenge against Jameson for reasons that I refuse to adjudicate.  Only now he's Pete.  Be still my beating heart.  Look, I know I'm comparing this to the original more than saying anything specifically about it, but that's kind of it, isn't it?  The only real purpose of this story is for people to look at it and go, hey, this is vaguely like that other story, only with Disney characters!  How zany!  I suppose overthinking Disney stories is kind of my "thing," so I maybe should just suck it up, but stories like this really pretty strongly resist ANY degree of thinking.


The reports on the economy of the Mesopotamian peoples, eh?  Look, you know I hate to sound negative, but this is a dogshit joke incompetently told.  Nobody involved should feel good about it.  I don't know; maybe an actual writer could've punched it up (though only so much, given its shaky foundation).  We will never know, however, because apparently we are philosophically opposed to such things.

And come to think of it, I actually kinda hate this depiction of Scrooge.  I enjoy Jameson as a character, but I sure don't enjoy this.


This entire entry might have been a mistake, because I'm just realizing the vast, yawning chasm of nothing that I have to say about this story.  I suppose that's the most damning thing of all.  Be bad, fine, but don't be BORING, fergawdsake.  Well, enjoy this giant robot, I guess.

In the interest of total fairness, I can't deny that I snorted a little at this one, just because it's so unexpected.  I don't know if that means it's good, per se, but it's the only joke here that did anything whatsoever for me, so...any port in a storm.


You know, I actually read "What if...? Goofy Became Spider-Man," just out of curiosity.  I sort of thought it might have had potential had it been along the lines of one of those A Goofy Look at... stories.  Those can be fun.  And when you think about it, there would've been a chance there to create something genuinely interesting that draws on the legacy of both Disney and Marvel comics.  Coulda been SO COOL.  did I REALLY believe that was a possibility?  Well, hope sprang eternal.  Alas, then a maniac with a knife leapt upon hope and stabbed it over and over and over, because that shit was fucking dire.  It could only aspire to the sporadically-competent insipidity we see here.  Thinking about it fills me with rage.  I will provide no details.  Why am I talking about it now?  Because I have to say SOMETHING sort-of get through this story in spite of my extreme lack of interest or motivation.  Welp.


As I've conceded, it does look okay, at least in parts.  So here's an example of that.


...oh.  So that's it.  That was kind of...deflating, or would be had there been any flating going on up to now.  In the original stories, it's a multi-arc thing, her discovering the truth about herself.  But here, yeah, fine, whatever, A Wizard Did It.  It introduces us to new vistas of half-assed slapdashery.  Now, you might say, yeah, well, it clearly HAD to be truncated to fit into one issue, to which I say yeah, sure, but it's STILL terrible.  If you can't comfortably fit it all in there, that's on you.

WINK.

What a bad-tempered entry this has been.  I'd thought I was getting better at not getting annoyed by shoddy work, but I suppose that depends on the nature of the work.  And can I just finish by pointing out how much that "What If...?" branding irritates me?  I know it's a long-running thing, and maybe in the past it's been done well, but in these Disney stories the answer to the question is always "it would be exactly like it's ever been only in an oversimplified way with different characters."  What an exquisitely boring question-and-answer.  Anyway, let's hope for better next time.

8 comments:

  1. Now I feel guilty for reminding you of this story... Like four months ago on Facebook you mentioned you read the comics and watched the MCU movies and shows to prepare for this, so I was kind of curious about your takeaway… Because as far as I know, this comic doesn’t really justify knowing any lore to get it.

    To be fair, I’m much more familiar with Kamala Khan in the comics (who is, by the way, a very fun character), but the first Captain Marvel movie was, for me, the most boring MCU entry at that point (before Eternals topped it). Her powers were generic, her backstory was generic, her personality felt one-note, and the only thing that was sort of interesting was that the story was non-linear. Like, I’m sorry, if the biggest takeaway most people had was “her cat was funny,” that’s not that great of a superhero.

    And what gets me is that the MCU at the time had so many great female characters - Black Widow, Wasp, Black Panther’s supporting cast, my girl Mantis* — yet THAT was the character some people I knew (only guys, interestingly enough) were defending as “Marvel’s feminist icon, whom if you don’t like clearly you’re scared of strong women.” I’m sure that was the case in the original comics, as GeoX pointed out, but… damn, that does not come across in the movie, which spends more time telling you, “This is a character you see as amazing, inspiring and worth admiring,” rather than showing WHY.

    And I’m all for strong female characters who could kick my ass without blinking — probably right after Spider-Man and Batman, the most superhero comic books I have in my collection are She-Hulk — but damn, can you make her interesting like you did with Peter Parker or Doctor Strange or Matt Murdock? I can talk at length about why these characters are fun… with her? Hmmm… So yeah, Kamala’s incarnation overshadowed her for a reason.

    I haven’t watched the sequel. Interestingly, the only person I knew who enjoyed it a lot is very conservative… so interpret that as you will.

    At the same time, I like Minnie fine, but for 99% of the time she is just pleasant, and that’s all there is to her (at least Daisy gets her outbursts). And that’s fine — she’s there to counterbalance the rest of the cast. It was super sad when Russi Taylor (who was her voice forever) died, but... yeah, if there were a contest for the most boring character of the “Mouse/Ducks-verse”… well, you can guess the winner, in my opinion. There just isn’t anything that ever screams, “Oh, that was such a Minnie reaction/line.”

    So let’s see… Marvel’s most boring character + Disney’s most boring character = … What did they expect? I mean, if the biggest Captain Marvel deep-dive reference they’ll do is “Look, she owns a cat”…

    The art looks great! I will give it that. Nice to see Figaro for a brief moment, It had some of the best covers, and Minnie’s cuteness complements that costume… but story-wise, it just felt like the weakest of these crossovers.

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    *I know that sounds like a joke at first, but seriously, of all MCU characters I could take someone on a date, it would be Mantis! Literally her every reaction would be interesting as hell.

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    1. I thought both Captain Marvel and The Marvels (good god, I had totally forgotten that there were two movies) were pretty bad. And you would never, ever associate the character as there portrayed with the original incarnation of Carol Danvers--which DOES make you wonder what the point is, really.

      (I did think the Ms. Marvel miniseries wasn't half bad, but it god badly bogged down in the second half. It was great as a slice-of-life kind of thing, but then when it started tossing in all these big concepts (time travel, alternate dimensions) and all this slam-bang superhero action, it was just too much.)

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  2. Okay okay, let's do this, by popular demand (?)-

    Mumble mumble Fantagraphics monthlies

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  3. You know, Scrooge-as-J.Jonah-Jameson isn't bad, but if ever there was a use-case for taking Gideon McDuck out of the mothballs…

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  4. Yeah, my impression of these Marvel/Disney "What if..." comics from my own minimal reading and from reviews I've read is that the answer is as you say, "it would be exactly like it's ever been only in an oversimplified way with different characters." Who thought this was a good idea? What if N. were SuperX? The story would play out in precisely the same way, with no clever twists based on the interaction of the distinctive character of N. with the powers & origin story of SuperX. They should have stuck to creating a gallery of covers. One of the Spider-Goofy covers was charming.

    Pan Miluś is right, Kamala Khan is a super-interesting character. The first run of issues written by G. Willow Wilson is well worth seeking out. Funny, relatable, well supplied with believable Jersey City community of friends, family, mosque. My second favorite superhero after Ryan North's Squirrel Girl.

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  5. I have to admit, as far as superhero comics go, I’m usually fairly indifferent to them with rare exceptions. And usually, those exceptions tend to be select Duck Avenger stories (but not those Duck Avenger New Adventures books…I’ve read them and since forgotten about them, including whether I still have the books or not), Super Goof or DC comics. I just can’t get into Marvel comics. Maybe that’s why I wasn’t crazy about the Duck Avenger New Adventures…they feel like Marvel stories with Donald Duck and aliens.
    I like the art in these stories. That’s about it, honestly. Like you said, the characterization all goes out the window and we’re left with dull rehashes of Marvel origin stories in a series of books that feels like it was created entirely for the licensing departments of Disney and Marvel as opposed to anyone who knows and loves either set of characters.

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    1. I think part of the problem is that a lot of Marvel books were almost written like soap operas, so it wasn’t as much about an individual Spider-Man adventure in a particular issue as it was about how that issue fit into the bigger drama going on in his private life (“previously on Peter Parker’s life falling apart,” as they joke). Something the MCU movies carry on is how all the films constantly reference each other, leaving you split between, “Oh yeah, that was a cool callback,” and “Sigh… I guess that character is meant to reference something from fourteen movies ago.”

      DC, I think, is a tad better with standalone stories you can enjoy while ignoring any larger lore in the background, no PhD in continuity required. Also, the OG Marvel comics “perfected” the tendency for characters to constantly monologue, overanalyzing what’s happening in their lives at any given moment and adding melodrama to every struggle. Still, I find a lot of them charming. In fact, some comics like Fantastic Four were far more enjoyable to read in their early volumes than in newer ones.

      For a minute, I wanted to say that you might enjoy the latest Spider-Man animated show ("Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man"), which I think captures the best parts of the spirit of those comics while adding some modern twists. But it’s really hard to judge how much of the excitement comes from viewers already expecting certain things to happen or hoping to see fan favorites appear in a brand new take. Again, the DC show "My Adventures with Superman" is a tad better in that regard as it's just do it own thing. It’s only 20 episodes, and I think you would appreciate its cozier, more friendship-driven tone.

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  6. DC's Shazam would be a good fit to a Disney retelling since that lore leans on that youthful bright eyed flimsy.

    But alas, wrong superhero universe.

    Instead of all these shoehorning, why don't they just write a Darkwing Duck Spiderman team up or something like that...?

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